Trick question! The DM gets to roll the damage. Oh, and it’s all the dice.
In the Forgotten Realms, what caused the dwarves to decline as a race, and what caused their renaissance (i.e., the increased birth rate, including Thunder Twins)?
All this newfangled 3rd Edition 3.5 gobbledygook is a barrel of crap, it is! You kids don’t know how good we had it back in the day! Even way back in the day, before that hip 2nd Edition with its additional resource books! Dwarf’s Handbook, Cleric’s Handbook, Neutral Gnomish Illusionist’s Handbook, pfah!
Back in 1st Edition, we had to make do with a Dungoneer’s Survival Guide, damnit! And a Wilderness Survival Guide! And a Fiend Folio, and only two Monster Manuals! None of these Monstrous Compendiums that are three-hole-punched for her pleasure!
And my grandpappy told me of how he had it! Only three alignments, Lawful Neutral Chaotic! None of those Chaotic-Purple-Freudian-Good mishmash! Only four human classes, fighter magic-user cleric thief! Only three demi-human races, elf dwarf halfling!
And we liked it, damnit!
grumble…
Dungoneer’s Survival Guide? Wilderness Survival Guide?
In my day, we had three hardback books, that’s it!
And we counted ourselves lucky that they finally published the DM Guide. If you wanted anything out side of those, that’s what Dragon Magazine was for.
Whippersnappers.
Oh yeah, my question:
Where’re the Cheetos?
Hardcover? Oh, we dreamed of having the hardcover! We had to save up our paper route money to buy the red boxed Basic set. Normally those came with dice and a wax crayon for you to fill in the numbers, but no, we couldn’t afford those luxuries, so I had to stick the dice in my ears until they accumulated enough wax to differentiate the numbers.
Laden or unladen? African or Euoropean?
Red Box? I bet you had that fancy-smancy blue “Expert” set, too.
In MY day, we had to make do with the Basic set with the blue manual and the “Journey into the Unknown” module. And even then, you still had to figure out what monsters to stock the dungeon with.
Of course, I hear tell of an even older edition, with three smaller manuals. Poor, poor savages.
And then B2 - Keep on the Borderlands! Oh, those were the days, before “thac0” and “proficiencies”. And the stats went in order of Str Int Wis Dex Con Cha, damnit, not this Str Dex Con crap! And you rolled up your character with 3d6 for each stat, in order, and you took what class you qualified for! Highest stat is an 11 Str? I guess you’re a fighter, chief!
And you try and tell the young people of today that, and they won’t believe you.
Ah, back in the day we had to go over to our friends house because he was the only one with the three brown books. No one else could afford them. Well, they weren’t books so much as pamphlets. But they were books to us!
The first D&D book we ever bought was the brown cover “Greyhawk” expansion. And we were lucky to get it.
Youngsters.
Try growing up in a small town before the days of strip malls and WOTC outlets. Why, we had a beat up photocopy of the old Chainmail rules that we meticulously reproduced by hand all of the combat tables to the players. And dice? The DM had the sole 20-sider in the whole county, we had to fold our own polyhedra out of construction paper and Elmers glue.
And Elf is a class, dammit, so is Dwarf. Keeps things simple like Yeenoghu intended. None of this kit-ninja-multi-special-rangelier-illusionator crap.
Bah, D&D went to the 453rd level of the Abyss in a handbasket when the Kender were introduced.
You might think you are joking, Gargoyle, but we literally did make polyhedral dice with folded paper and elmer’s glue. Oh, we had tons of six-sideds, but only one set of cheap dice, one 20sided, 1 12sided, 1 8sided, and 1 4sided. And the bevels of the 20sided were almost worn off. Damn thing was near ROUND. We got tired of passing the dice around, and made a bunch of paper dice. Used them during play, too. That lasted for a few weeks…then my brother bought a few used dice from another player.
I still have the D20 from the D+D box set (the one with one red booklet, and B2, and a set of dice, not the one with two booklets in it.) It almost is round now, and if you roll it, despite its light weight it hardly ever stops rolling!
Geez. What a bunch of grognards!
And for all of you looking up answers: stop it – trivia games do not allow reference materials. Not even Google.
So here’s a question, and no cheating:
What pantheon(s) was(were) removed from the original printing of the 1st Edition Dieties and Demigods, and why?
Was it the Lankhmar deities (from the Fahfard and the Grey Mouser books), for copyright reasons?
The Melnibonean Mythos(and Fafhord/Grey Mouser but I can’t remember their worlds name). Elric, Yrkroon, Stormbringer, Mournblade, Ring of Kings, etc. Moorcock threatened to sue. I believe the copyright holder of Fafhord and the Grey Mouser threatened to sue as well. There went the Seven Eyed One and Cat’s Paw as well.
This is IIRC by the way. I still have the first edition(and a friend has the paperback pre-first edition that doesn’t even have those pantheons) and can’t compare it to later editions without buying them. Still I know I’m right about the Melnibonean mythos and I think I’m right about the other.
IIRC the last printing of that supplement was also missing some of the native American pantheon.
Enjoy,
Steven
The HP Lovecraft pantheon was removed from Deities and Demigods to resolve a conflict of ownership with Chaosium, publisher of the Cthulhu role-playing game. Going one-up, the title of the book was eventually changed to Legends and Lore.
My questions:
- Name 5 geographic locations from World of Greyhawk.
- In Monster Manual 2, what are the numbers of each caste of modron, from Decaton to Primus?
- According to the Manual of the Planes, what are the names of all of the outer planes watered by the River Styx?
Tch, I’ll stop being a grognard to answer this one.
I have a copy of Deities & Demigods which contains Lankhmar, does not contain Cthulhu, and does not contain the Melnibonean mythos. Those two were removed then added then removed then…
(I just used google to cite my answer, I swear!)
They’re right next to you.
Dice?! Luxury! We had to cut out the page of chits that came with the blue-covered edition that came out before the boxed sets! And play the adventure that came in the back over and over and over again! And we’d have to beat each other into unconciousness after each game, until we’d forgotten that the skeletons in the alcoves of that one room would come to life once you reached the center of the room!
Kids these days…
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Greyhawk, The Great Kingdom, Furyondy, Iuz, the Valley of the Mage.
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Hierarchs are Decatons, Nonatons, Octons, Septons, Hextons, Quintons, Quartons, Tertians, Secundi, Primus. Base modrons are monodrones, duodrones, tridrones, quadrones and pentadrones.
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The old-school MotP or the 3rd ed?
Old-school: Pandemonium, the Abyss, Tartarus, Hades, Gehenna, the Nine Hells, Acheron.
3rd ed.: Pandemonium, the Abyss, Carceri, the Gray Waste, Gehenna, Baator, Acheron.