Dwarves in serious roles

Miller writes:

> I’ve got a pipe dream about someone making a TV series from Lois Bujold’s
> Miles Vorkosigan sf novels, with Dinklage in the title role.

Lurkmeister writes:

> Miller, I’ve had the same thought about Peter Dinklage as Miles Vorkosigan.

Peter Dinklage is 4’5". The character of Miles Vorkosigan is supposed to be 4’11", so that’s not likely. Hey, maybe I should play Miles!

It would be interesting just for once to see a character played by somebody who’s actually significantly shorter than the character is supposed to be. It’s pretty common to have characters played by actors much taller than the character is supposed to be. The 4’10" J. M. Barrie was played by the 5’9" Johnny Depp. The 5’3" Truman Capote was played by the 5’9.5" Philip Seymour Hoffman. The 4’8" Edith Piaf was played by the 5’6.5" Marion Cotillard. The 5’5.5" T. E. Lawrence was played by the 6’3" Peter O’Toole. I can’t think of a single case of a character being played by an actor who’s significantly shorter than the character is supposed to be.

The Red Dwarf, directed by Yvan Le Moine, is a French film released 1998, with a dwarf as a protagonist, acting typically french, ie seducing women, running off to join a circus, etc.

Things you can tell just by looking at her is a bit of a stretch, but worth a nod, I think

I’d like to see Dinklage do that one, too.

Bibles, actually. His own translation, if memory serves.

While Michael J. Anderson was damn good in CARNIVALE, he was indeed THE archetypical Dream-Dwarf.
“Let’s rock!”

Ron LeFlore the baseball player who was 6’0" and 200lbs. was played by the gargantuan Levar Burton (5’7") and in the worst casting decision of all-time 5’10" William Bendix played 6’2" Babe Ruth (I am guessing their respective weights were closer.) Both Raymond Massey and Henry Fonda were 6’1" (not exactly midgets but 3 inches shorter than 6’4" Abraham Lincoln. There are so many really short actors that there are probably a lot more examples.

Ooh, here’s one: Zelda Rubinstein in Poltergeist.

That scene was hysterical. Thank you for reminding me of the title of the film; just yesterday, I was trying to remember it.

I think Danny DeVito is 5’0" in the same way that Tom Cruise is 5’10".

And 5’9" Abbie Hoffman played by 6’4" Vincent D’Onofriio

O.K., denquixote, let’s compare your examples to mine.

Actor shorter than character played:

4’10" J. M. Barrie was played by 5’9" Johnny Depp, so actor is 11" taller than character.

5’3" Truman Capote was played by 5’9.5" Philip Seymour Hoffman, so actor is 6.5" taller than character.

4’8" Edith Piaf was played by 5’6.5" Marion Cotillard, so actress is 10.5" taller than character.

5’5.5" T. E. Lawrence was played by 6’3" Peter O’Toole, so actor is 9.5" taller than character. (He was also played by 6’1’ Ralph Fiennes, so actor is 7.5" taller than character.

Actor taller than character played:

6’0" Ron LeFlore was played by 5’7" Levar Burton, so actor is 5" shorter than character.

6’3" Abraham Lincoln was played by 6’1" Henry Fonda and 6’1" Raymond Massey, so actors are 2" taller than character.

So my five examples are actors 6.5" to 11" off the real height, while your two examples are actors 2" to 5" off the real height. As I said, I don’t know of any examples of characters being played by actors who are significantly shorter than the character.

Also, you write:

> There are so many really short actors that there are probably a lot more
> examples.

Cite? I’ve heard this offhand claim before, but I don’t believe it. Indeed, I believe that actors tend to be a little taller than average. I believe the reason that people make this claim is that they get the impression that certain actors are average to tall, mostly because they are carefully filmed to look taller. When they meet them in person, they discover that they are average height or a little less. Does anyone have any statistics (not anecdotes) about the average height of actors?

Indeed, the interesting thing is how few male actors (particularly lead actors) there are between, say, 4’10" and 5’3", short enough to be significantly short without being a midget or a dwarf. There are a fair amount of men of that height, and yet there are very few actors (particularly lead actors) of that height. There may be more male actors less than 4’10" than there are male actors between 4’10" and 5’3", and yet there are comparatively few men less than 4’10".

threeorange writes:

> I think Danny DeVito is 5’0" in the same way that Tom Cruise is 5’10".

Nowhere except in Cruise’s studio publicity is it claimed that he is 5’10". IMDb says he is 5’7", and that’s what every mention of him on entertainment program says so also. Comparison of him standing next to his various wives seems to indicate that that’s about right. IMDb says that DeVito is 5’0". That looks about right, I think, looking at him standing next to other actors.

Michael Keaton as Batman. Jack Nicholson as R. P. McMurphy.

She also played a major role in an episode of House last year (or the year before?) which had her not only as a dwarf mother to a growing (or not growing - House decides!) daughter of average height, but also as a terrific foil for House. He was so impressed with her smarmy attitude that there was a twinkle of romance in his eye. House fans hope to see her back!

Peter Dinklage is going to play Trumpkin in the new Narnia movie, Prince Caspian.

He’s a little short for Miles Vorkosigan; I’ll have to think about that one. I have his Station Agent role in my head, and I can’t picture him being hyperactive enough. I do think he’d make a great Tyrion Lannister.

Countrapuntal writes:

> Michael Keaton as Batman. Jack Nicholson as R. P. McMurphy.

Michael Keaton is 5’10" and Jack Nicholson is 5’9.75" according to the IMDb. Going by my rule that “significantly shorter” means more than 5", I don’t see how these count. Show me that Batman or R. P. McMurphy is supposed to be more than 6’3".

In terms of actors who are smaller than their characters, how about the Thing in the Fantastic four movie? Chickliss is only 5’8 1/2 according to imdb. They didn’t digitally increase his height, either. The invisible woman is 5’6 so when she had heels she was about the same height as the Thing.

6’2" Johnny Cash had a half foot on 5’8" Joaquin Pheonix.

6’3" Rodgrigo Santoro gave up quite a bit to the 8 footish fictional Xerxes in The 300. :wink:

Back to the OP, Danny Woodburn (aka Mickey Abbott from Seinfield) was pretty much playing an prick who just happened to be a dwarf in Employee of the Month. I seem to vaguely recall him doing that other places as well.

Abby’s love interest on NCIS last season was a dwarf, and I remember it being a serious role.

How about the Lord of the Rings films? Sure they were stand-ins, but they were stand-ins for serious roles.