Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy - ok to lie to children?

Well, I was a really sensitive kid, and I remember very vividly how it felt when I found out there was no Santa.

I was 7, and another kid at recess LAUGHED at me for believing in Santa Claus … she proceeded to point out all the reasons that Santa could not possibly be real.

I felt like an idiot. For me, being mocked like that was my worst nightmare.

I was so upset when I got home - so mad at my parents for lying to me and putting me in a vulnerable position - giving another kid ammunition to use against me.

(Told ya I was sensitive).

I have a huge imagination, always have and always will, and it is something I will encourage in my daughter. I want her to read and love stories, and lose herself in daydreams, and use her imagination whether it’s playing Barbies or building things out of Lego or finger painting!

I just don’t want her to feel hurt or betrayed or lied to by her parents - the people she is supposed to be able to trust most in the world.

I’m not saying there is anything wrong with helping your children to believe in Santa et al, I was just curious if I was the only one who felt slightly uncomfortable about the dishonesty aspect.

Now I’m curious to see how I handle it! I think I will be walking a fine line between helping her enjoy the fun & magic of those special occasions and feeling like I’m setting her up for a big disappointment when she finds out the truth.

My take on this- kids are brighter than we like to think.

We gently encourage Father Christmas- he brings a stocking of small presents each year, but the kids know that their real presents come from family.

Our oldest- 5 years- has worked out that a lot of the Father Christmases he sees are ‘just helpers’, but somehow the one that he visits is the real one!

Easter Bunny the same- he is just a chocolate bringer! No questions asked.

He is struggling to make sense of the world and making his own compromises.

Similarly, he goes to a Christian pre-school which is quite keen on ‘Religious Education’. Neither of us is a believer, and it is interesting to see him dealing with Christian Myths in the same way he is dealing with the reality/falsity of the childhood myths.

All very healthy, and no real lying involved- we all need some fantasy and myths to help us put the world in perspective.

My son is 2, and doesn’t yet have any real idea of who/what Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are.

My take: go ahead and let the kids enjoy the traditional holiday fantasies, BUT… as soon as the kids are old enough to sense that Santa may not be real, come clean and tell the truth. Don’t keep trying to persuade your kids that Santa is real once they’ve started to figure out the truth.

I always loved the Santa fantasy, and wasn’t really traumatized by the truth. But even though I’m pro-Santa, I scoff at the famous “Yes, Virginia” editorial. When a 9 year old like Virginia asks for the truth, she’s plenty old enough to hear it.

I was seven when I discovered that the kind and generous Santa Claus was, in reality, the man that I had thought was entirely too stingy. It taught me a lesson that brings tears to my eyes to this day. All of those wonderful toys and pretty dolls were from him! And my mother had sewn by hand all of those beautiful clothes. The paint set, the rocking horse, the music box, the xylophone, the cap pistols, the tricycle, the red wagon – they did it for me.

It was a most incredible moment to learn that I had that wonderful, jolly old man at my breakfast table year 'round.

Uh, that’s an interesting passage, but I wouldn’t interpret it as “let the kids have their moment of fun”. It seems rather much the opposite, to me.

Personally, I thought the whole thing was lame as a child too. And I just don’t envision myself perpetuating it to my own children. However, that means I have to come up with some other way to make the holidays fun, which I haven’t figured out yet.

It’s equally appropriate for a four-year old to NOT believe in Santa. I don’t understand the logic that believing in lies is a necessary level in childhood.

My barely 3-year-old has all manner of imaginary friends. Some days she is a puppy dog or a kitty cat all day long. She hides under her bedcovers to go on a submarine trip, or climbs high up in the rainforest canopy to see what she can see. She knows that the characters in the books she loves are not real. She knows that Dora is not real. She knows that santa is not real. She knows that her imaginary friends are not real, that she isn’t really a puppy dog, and that her bed is not really a submarine.

Imagination does not equal believing lies. Knowing the truth does not equal having no imagination.

Listening to stories and appreciating them does not need to involve believing them.

My experience is much the same as yojimbos.

I had fewer than ten short years in which to believe and enjoy the Santa myth, but the happy memories will last me a lifetime. Any small disappointment I felt upon finding out the truth doesn’t compare the the exciting, wonderful joy I felt during the years that I thought magic was real. I can’t relate to people who speak of feeling betrayal or deceived and I never felt that way. I look back on it as my parents trying to bring some wonder into my life, and I am grateful for the efforts they took to make it real for me. I would have loved to do the same for children of my own.

My friend never let her children believe in Santa Claus because she didn’t want some ficticious fat man taking the credit for the gifts she bought them. I think that is one of the most selfish reasons I’ve ever heard. At least the “Don’t want to lie to them” crowd have some understandable moral qualms about teaching their children things that aren’t true… I just felt the wonder and excitement I experienced as a child is a more valuable thing than getting the credit for buying presents, but I guess (Her)MMV.

I’ve talked with a lot of people about whether it is right to ‘lie’ to your child about Santa or the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. Most are on about the same page as I am: They don’t see anything wrong with it. They enjoyed the game as children, and those of them who are parents enjoy keeping it up with their kids. However, I’ve been very surprised by the vehemence of some people’s anger about the subject, often due to them feeling betrayed by their parents when they learned that they had been ‘lied’ to.

What I found out is that what seems to be a strong predictor in people’s reactions to learning there was no Santa is how -serious- their parents were about maintaining the fiction. My parents didn’t try especially hard. “Santa” used the same paper my parents used, and wrote in their handwriting, and I was sometimes expected to thank my Gramma Sue for things that “Santa” gave me. Several times, my father overslept and I caught him hiding eggs on Easter morning (“The Easter Bunny hid some of them too easily! I had to re-hide them because you’re such a smart kid!”) As a result, I suspected that Santa and the Easter Bunny didn’t exist from a young age, and I actually remember bargaining with my parents over how much money “The Tooth Fairy” was gonna give me. :wink: So when I was ready, I gave up the fiction pretty easily. I’d already been operating in a state of suspended disbelief for a long time, because the game was fun to play.

Those of the people who I talked to who felt especially betrayed, I found out, tended to talk about the fiction maintained by their parents as something much more excessive. Santa used different paper and different handwriting than their parents, and they were NEVER allowed to find the paper! That sort of thing. As a result, they held to the belief more closely, and were more liable to defend it to their own detriment on the schoolyard, among other things. One person told me that she had done so, she suspected, at least in part because she sensed that it was what her parents wanted, and part of the betrayal was that her parents had wanted her to look like a fool. Whereas I accepted people not believing in Santa as part of the natural order of things and left them to believe whatever they wanted without pushing the matter one way or another. It was their loss, as far as I was concerned.

So I’ve come to the conclusion that it isn’t wrong to ‘lie’, just so long as you don’t go out of your way to make the lie too good. As children get old enough to begin judging the situation, they’ll start to see through it, and they can come to see the truth in their own time, without having their belief either artificially prolonged or cut short. To be honest, I think that the Santa/Easter Bunny mythos teaches valuable lessons about drawing joy from everyday life by not adhering too closely to “the facts”, which can be pretty depressing once you hit adulthood. I know I tap into that ‘suspended disbelief’ state pretty commonly when I need a dream to keep me happy through the tough times.

(BTW, I don’t want this to sound like I was a pragmatic child, because I wasn’t. I was actually pretty imaginative. I did get mocked for my overactive imagination, just not on the Santa front. I don’t get mocked anymore, though, even though I’m still on the wacky side when it comes to imagination level, mostly because those people who are still childish enough to be the mocking sort have learned that this isn’t a subject that they can shame me about. As with Santa on the schoolyard, I’m of the opinion that it’s their loss that they live such mundane lives.)

There is a difference between reading your kids “The Cat in the Hat” and telling them that he will come to visit them so be good. I am pretty sure there are ways to develop your child’s imagination besides lying to them. I was never taught to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy and I never felt deprived for it, and you may be pleased to know I also have a very active imagination, thank you. In fact, I dislike having rugs pulled from under me and was rather glad I was never duped along with my peers. I find it jarring that on a message board dedicated to fighting ignorance, there are so many people who will FIGHT to instill it in their children and resort to personal attacks against those who disagree.

For the few overly sensitive people who felt personally betrayed when they found out the truth about Santa Claus, I’m interested to know if these wounds carried over into adulthood.

Minor disappointment is a part of growing up. The joy it brings to most kids far outweighs the brief disappointment when they find out the truth. Most children will find additional joy in making Christmas happy for other little kids who still believe.

The big lie, in my opinion, is telling a small child that there’s definitely an all-powerful god who doles out kindness to some but not others, burns people in a firey lake, etc. And then never give up the lie…

I don’t know, but I once made a kid cry by explaining to them why Santa wasn’t real.

I don’t really see the point of Santa. There are plenty of cultures around the world who don’t have a Santa; are their kids deprived of some essential joy at their celebrations? There are plenty of ways to make Christmas fun without making your kids believe in someone who doesn’t exist. Yeah, minor disappointment is a part of growing up. Major disappointment, even. And I suppose that once they found out he isn’t real, they’d learn the rather important lesson that people will make up elaborate lies to you to make you feel good, even your own parents. Though I get the feeling that is not the intention of those parents who go to extreme lengths to preserve their child’s belief in Santa.

And maybe it’s different for you, but personally if I found out I’d been deceived all the joy I’d felt would drain away. If I found out my boyfriend was cheating on me would I gracefully cherish my memories of us together anyway? Fuck no.

Zoe wins the thread.

That’s all I wanted to say.

I like Santa Claus. Figuring out he isn’t real is an exercise in critical thinking. Its learning that because you want something to be true, doesn’t mean it IS true, and that evidence is not proof. Its an exercise in growing up. And learning that while Magic isn’t real, magic is.

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I don’t know, but I once made a kid cry by explaining to them why Santa wasn’t real.
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glad you are so proud of yourself :rolleyes:

I used to be of the “No Santa for my kids!” crowd.

Then I had Sophie. Yeah, I’m going to deny my three year-old something that every one of her friends get to enjoy because of some idiotic principle that she wouldn’t “understand”, if at all, until she’s 20 or so. I’m sure she’d be so appreciative. :rolleyes:

Hmm. Seems my life experiences are somewhere between the others posted here.

It’s not that I felt horribly betrayed or lied to about this myths; I simply never believed in them. Not that my parents didn’t try; I just saw it as hooey from early on. Probably didn’t help I had older sisters–I don’t think they gave me much chance to believe.

I remember some guy in a Santa suit coming by delivering little gifts and candies to neighborhood children. I was no more than 5 at the time. I saw he was driving a station wagon and asked my parents where his sleigh was, knowing even then there WAS no sleigh. They stammered some silly excuse, but I knew even then this was silly.

FTR, I had a fantastic imagination as a child…very wildly creative and full of fantasy and dreams and such. But this whole Santa/Tooth Fairy/Easter Bunny was never anything to believe in; it was always silly to even think of believing in it. I loved participating in all the traditions, of course, but did so well aware that it was all in good (mythical) fun.

Maybe I’d have a different perspective if I’d ever believed in these things, I dunno. I just don’t see the need or even a particularly good reason to deceive like this (and again, that is how I see it). I don’t have a problem with fantasy or fiction or any such thing–I loved that stuff as a kid, and still now–but I’ve never, ever viewed them as being remotely similar.

Anyway, I’ll just keep “listening” in this thread. Maybe there’s something I’m missing, I dunno. Hubby of course is gung ho for this; I just feel weird about the whole thing. Just seems…bizarre.

Carry on.

[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]

That’s not what I meant. I was seven or eight and it was meant to demonstrate that yeah, some kids ARE hurt by the revelation.

Um, no- you think her imaginary friends aren’t real, and she just humors you.

:smiley:

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“Hurt” meaning “bummed out” or hurt meaning “oh my god I have to put my head in the oven?” Kids get “hurt” when they’re told that they’re not going to get the new toy they had their heart set on. Hurt is ok.