That only works in badly written fanfiction.
But it’s the factual explanation. OTTOMH, when the script for Star Wars was finished, Luke and Leia were not related. This explains their passionate kiss.
As I said above, the Ring chooses to grow larger so it will slip off Isildur’s finger and he will be seen by orcs. It is at least partially sentient. It worked very slowly on Frodo because it knew it had time. It worked very quickly on Isildur because it knew it was about to be destroyed.
Why would they agree to do it then? IIRC An eagle rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he was supposed to meet Radagast and other poeple at a council. He never showed up and Radagast got very worried and sent an eagle to look for him. After Gandalf kills the Balrog, Gwaihir finds him, picks him up and takes him to safety. Even then, Gandalf is polite and apologetic.
Then, how do you explain Isildur refusing to destroy it and keeping it for himself? Of Smeagol immediately killig his own brother to get it?
The time involved with Isildur and Smeagol was short indeed.
Meta text is irrelevant to answering a question about a fictional situation - it was you, yourself who said:
And the Eagles carrying Bilbo and the Ring is canon in the book where it really is the One Ring.. End of.
There’s only so much a sentient ring can do while it’s being carried in a hobbit’s pocket. It can’t walk or fly, it has no hands, and it can’t speak. This is just special pleading.
So now it’s not just sentient, but prescient, too?
You’re confusing movie and book. It was at no real risk of being destroyed by Isildur, there’s no dramatic confrontation at the Crack with Elrond, just Elrond and Cirdan giving advice at the battlefield.
Why would they agree to pick up Gandalf off Orthanc or Zirakzigil as you noted, or the Dwarves out of the pines? Or come to fight at the Battles of Five Armies or the Morannon? Because they hate Sauron and orcs of old, or because someone like Radagast or Galadriel asked them to.
Firstly - it’s a shiny ring that Isuldur knew was Sauron’s, and a thing of Power. It didn’t need to do anything, it just needed to be. Also, as far as he was concerned, Sauron was dead.
Secondly - we’re told why Gollum wanted it - it’s a beautiful shiny gold ring. And Sméagol was already setting up to be a bad 'un with his nose in roots and holes.
Also, minor point, but Déagol was not his brother.
You seem to have skipped right over the “or at least awareness”, there.
No, not prescient. The Ring grew larger to slip off Isildur’s finger because it knew that orcs were nearby. Thus, it has to have perception of some kind. If the Ring can sense its surroundings, why wouldn’t it hear and know plans that were made and spoken in its presence?
That doesn’t really answer the question. If somebody asked the eagles to carry Frodo into Mordor, they would ask why they are doing such a dangerous thing. If you don’t tell them that Frodo has the Ring and is going to destroy it, just what reason do you give them?
Oops, cousin. My mistake
I don’t see that awareness of the Ring is strictly necessary either. I think ‘Hey eagles, we need you to carry this Hobbit to Mount Doom for reasons we won’t explain.’ would lead to suspicion. The Ring would then work on that even without the eagles knowing it was there.
Perhaps. At least, I’m sure it can sense the thoughts of its master and its current wearer. That’s all the actual text allows us to infer. I think it slipped off Isuldur’s finger not because it “sensed orcs” but because it sensed Isildur’s distress and need.
But you think it has actual senses, and there’s absolutely no textual evidence for that. Or you’d link to the passage that says it. You know, because:
“There’s a motherfucking war on, Mr Big Bird” would do (but in the most flowery Sindarin, of course). I mean, that’s why they came to the Lonely Mountain, and the Black Gate…
You can obviously point me to a single passage indicating normal people are aware of the Ring specifically, when not told about it, right? Frodo interacts with any number of people without getting constantly waylaid by non-involved people. The only ones actively going after him are literal agents of Evil, like the Watcher or the crebain or Bill Ferny.
Butterbur doesn’t have an urge to nick it. Gildor doesn’t waylay Frodo and rifle his pockets. There’s no indication there’s any magic Ring sense at work all the time.
If the Eagles were capable of just sensing the Ring, they would have done it in Wilderland, years before. Anything else - special pleading.
There are plenty of explanations that don’t involve “Oh, and he’s carrying the One Ring”. Hell, just say he’s there to do some back door sneaky work, the Eagles should know his family has form for that.
This is like when a TTRPG-er thinks up a game-breaking move that the DM has to admit is allowable under the rules.
Sort of like the difference between a mere Dark Force user and a Sith. 
This is why I can’t decide if I should read A Song of Fire and Ice or watch Game of Thrones.
Didn’t one of them do that, not for a Death Star but at least a Star Destroyer, in one of the spinoffs?
Yeah. Since then fans have tried coming up with various rationalizations for why it’s not done more often to plug the plot hole.
Total hijack about the Free Silver movement, ignore if uninterested:
Summary
Arguably the deflation caused by the gold standard did hurt American farmers– and fishermen, and miners and lumberjacks, and factory workers, the products of all of whose labor was increasingly undervalued in ever-more precious gold. Arguably the gold standard, by encouraging overreliance on dubious financial instruments, eventually led to the stock bubble that crashed in 1929 and the extreme money supply drought that didn’t end until the USA established fiat currency. Arguably a silver-only standard (it was bimetallism that had to go) would have accomplished the same thing fiat money eventually had to, with a lot less pain in the interim. But the gold standard left the financiers in the catbird seat, so of course they totally opposed it.
And finally, I don’t see why the Eagles weren’t perfectly able to carry a Ringbearer or even the One Ring directly, just not into Sauron’s realm. As in literally magically unable to cross that border.
The Empire mandated “Hyperjump sensors” be installed on all starships, that inhibited such maneuvers if it detected an obstacle in the flight path. Bloody Fascists!
In The Little Mermaid, Ariel could have easily solved her problem by writing a note. “Hello, my name is Ariel, and a sea witch has put me under a spell of silence…”
As I have repeatedly said elsewhere on this board, most of my material possessions are still in in bins and boxes. The details on this are spoilered should anybody wish to skip over them
I had lived for about twenty five years in my first apartment. A visiting cousin saw a spot on the wall, and said it looked like toxic mold. My beloved became very worred and paid a few hundred dollars to have my apartment professionally checked for toxic mold. They found it everywhere in the place and in dangerous levels. I did an emergency move.
I had no credit hsitory or rating. The only apartment I could get was smaller, in a dangerous neighborhood and just generally worse than my first one. The rent was higher too. It also had a massive rodent probem. The year I spent there while I built up credit was one of the worst times of my lfie.
I had intended to sort through my many boxes and bins and to sell, give to friends, donate to Goodwill or throw in dumpster as appropriate. I never got around to it. It was all I could do to keep my job and stay out of a mental hospital (I don’t mean that as hyperbole or a figure of speech).
I moved out as soon as my lease was up. Shortly before I moved, I woke up to find large amounts of different kinds of pain from my lower back all the way down to my toes. Various other things happen to damage me emotionally. This included changing to a local pharmacy, changing again because they kept failing me, having the chain pharmacy never answer the phone when I or my psychiatrist called, running out of medications I needed in order to hold a job, and other fun things.
I finally started to really declutter my new apartment after an unannounced visit from maintenance. I was terrified they would evict me for the vast number of bins and boxes.Then, instead of contacting me to say I was being evicted or needed to declutter, managemnt sent an e-mail saying that all units would be inspected in two days.
I went into overdrive sorting through all the boxes. Eventually, it became clear that the unannounced visit to my apartment had been the inspection, and that I had passed. I shrugged and now that I had finally made a dent, continued to sort through boxes
.It has only very recently been feasible to order a bookshelf (I lost all my old one in the move from my first apartment). In theory, I could assemble it by myself and without a powerdrill. It is much easier and safer to schedule one of my handy friends to visit and help me do it.
Once I all my books back on shelves, I will be able to re read and quote them
Even if I had good search engine skills, various websites will quote only the parts that they feel back up their view. So, finding one or a dozen web sites saying the tex means this or that is only meaningful if they give the entire text and not just the parts they believe in.
That is why I have not given cites.
Again “You should go perform this very dangerous mission because I said so” is not going to work. This is not a general or superior officer who can order a grunt to his death. The eagles would ask details and reasons before agreeing to anything.
Again, for the reasons listed above, I can’t point to a single passage about anything.
Again, why would the eagles agree?
The explanation you offered makes no sense. He’s there for “sneaky work”? So the eagles should fly into Mordor, immediately drawing Sauron’s attention? None of the eagles would point that out or just say “If he is so sneaky, let him sneak there on his own?”
Was she literate? Was she literate in a language the local land-dwellers know?
“Yeah, I’m a Prince so kinda a big deal around here. Got my pick actually. There are quite a few women with legs AND have pretty voices. So…imna head out.”
That’s what she finds out anyway. Your solution only speeds her pain. He liked her face, how long was that going to last?
In the original, I don’t know
In Disney’s version, we see her reading books from the surface.
She also signs a contract written in English during the “Poor Unfortunate Souls” scene.
Yep, Bilbo for a rather short distance. But that was in the Hobbit, where The Ring wasnt the One Ring yet.
Yep.
Sometimes you just gotta cut down on characters for a film. Jackson did right but giving Arwen the job that Glorfindel did in rescuing Frodo.
The idea that Oz is about free silver has been roundly and totally debunked, even by Cecil himself.
The story I got about The Wizard of Oz was that it was an allegorical treatise on the Populist movement in the U.S. in the 1890s. This interpretation strikes me as being about as crazed as your friend’s, but since it was published in an allegedly scholarly journal (Henry Littlefield, American Quarterly, 1964) … well, I’ll let you be the judge… The main problem with the preceding interpretation is that taken in aggregate it makes no sense. I mean, why should the forces of nature (the Wicked Witch of the West) be so hot for the free coinage of silver (i.e., Dorothy’s footwear)? Baum was given to occasional satirical touches in his work, I admit. But he was primarily a storyteller rather than a political commentator, and the bits of symbolism stuck into his books for the most part don’t add up to anything. However, I don’t want to be too critical. The article I’ve just been citing clearly reflects the hellish conditions all journalists face: too little time, too much beer. Been there.
Late news: Populist theory repudiated!
Well, cast into some doubt, anyway, which we could have predicted. For an entertaining discussion of the subject, see “The Rise and Fall of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz as a ‘Parable on Populism,’” by David B. Parker.
Boromir was corrupted in the books also, and still both Gandalf and Galadriel refused to touch the Ring.
Right.
Not in LotR.
That was in the Hobbit, and again for a short flight.
But sure, say the Eagles wouldnt be corrupted by carrying Frodo to Mt Doom, They’d still have to drop him in, and be confronted by the nazgul, the Eye & Will of Sauron and 10000 orc archers. Asking the Eagles to commit murder is quite a leap and we dont know if mt Doom had an open caldera full of lava anyway.
There really isnt any “original” - Disney changed the tale quite a bit.
“If you could call these giant eagles anytime, why did we do all the damn walking?”
Wiz:“The Eagles are a proud and majestic people. You don’t summon them on a whim. Also, you don’t want to be on one when it gets hungry.”
(burp from below)
“Whoa, land this baby, it’s shoeleather express time.”