Prayers for your safety and that of your family, Alessan.
Regards,
Shodan
You seriously don’t know what the phrase “next year in Jerusalem” is in reference to, why it’s said by every Jewish person in the world once a year and why this has been going on for a couple of thousand years?
I’m genuinely shocked. Ok, it’s the phrase used to end Passover every year and is perhaps the best example of how the Jews long, long before Herzl thought of themselves as a nation and believed there homeland to be Israel.
When you pray for them, pray also for the safety of the Gazans.
Good point. Consider it done.
Regards,
Shodan
Yeah. $50,000 each person for a family of 6 is $300,000. That would buy you a pretty nice life in a lot of countries. The idea that all Palestinians care about is killing Jews, I think, is just prejudice. They care about the same things all people do: safety. Security. A chance to make a better life for themselves, and their children.
They don’t they have that living in Gaza, under Israeli occupation. The crappy rockets, and the tunnels, are desperate attempts to change their situation. If you offered a real chance at a better life, they would take it.
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Well, except that Israel isn’t occupying Gaza, and the only recently has even sent troops in there because of the whole rockets thingy.
Well, that’s certainly one way to spin things. Personally, I think that the crappy rockets and tunnels are what’s keeping their situation so bad.
Some would, some wouldn’t.
Did Germany “occupy” the Jewish ghettos during WWI?
What’s your definition of occupy?
You know, I wasn’t convinced of your argument, at first, but that Nazi analogy really won me over. I don’t know why more people on the internet don’t compare groups to Nazis. It seems like a winning argument there!
Every time I hear someone make this argument I nearly piss myself laughing because they didn’t think it through.
The answer is of course yes they did occupy the Warsaw ghetto because that was a city in Poland and all of Poland was occupied by the Nazis and the ghetto was run by Jewish leaders hand picked by the Nazis.
If all of Gaza was occupied but the Israelis didn’t have troops in Gaza City and people were insisting you couldn’t classify Gaza City as “occupied” even though it was administered by puppet rulers you’d have a point, but that’s not the situation so you don’t.
There are actually strong arguments to make that Gaza is occupied and I, for one think it is.
I’m surprised you didn’t make any. Frankly, it looks more like you were looking for an excuse to compare the Jewish State to Nazi Germany, but hopefully That just an honest mistake.
And why the fuck does that matter? Its trivia. I have no doubt you would do well on Jewish Jeopardy but its not really relevant except tangentially.
How does that make your point of view (AKA opinion) more relevant than mine? I don’t see how relevant plays into it.
I tend to agree with you but I have read articles about the status of Gaza that make convincing arguments that Israel “occupies” Gaza despite a lack of physical presence.
It looks like the rocket attacks started in 2001. Were things pretty good in gaza before that?
Don’t you think there would be some sort of value to that sort of self selection?
OK. I retract my reference to the ghettos. What is your definition of “occupy”?
Leaving aside the problems already mentioned by others, I’m not clear why you think $50,000 per individual is enough to incentivize countries to open their immigration doors. That is not a lot of money, especially for refugees starting a new life basically from scratch. And then what happens once the money is gone? My friend works as an Iraqi refugee aid, so I know something of the process of settling people into the U.S. It takes a lot of work and resources to settle refugees into a new country. You don’t just give them cash and drop them off the sidewalk.
I don’t really have a strict definition of “occupy”. I think most reasonable people would conclude that Gaza was still occupied by Israel when Israel controls access in and out as well as access to services like electricity and phones(I was genuinely surprised none of the “we hate Israel” crowd picked up on that with Israel’s warning phone calls).
Now, perhaps you could explain why you chose to pull a Godwin and compare the Jews of Israel to Nazis?
He lives in the region, knows a lot about it, has personal connections with the people involved and cares about both the Palestinians and the Israelis, and is personally affected by the debate.
How much of the above would apply to you?
Edit: the above isn’t meant as an insult, but I don’t know how else to give a full answer to your question. It’s also an answer that applies to most people here.
It’s hardly “trivia”. It’s actually a fairly well-known fact and moreover it’s illustrative of the fact that contrary to your earlier assertion Jews viewed themselves as a nation long and Israel as their homeland long before “the early 20th Century” contrary to your earlier claims.
OK, so his opinion is more relevant because he has more a of a personal stake in how things shake out? OK. Maybe that makes his opinion more relevant. Probably makes it less objective as well.
Its relevance has nothing to do with how well known a fact is. The Zionist movement has not been around for 2000 years, has it? Or are you saying that the Jewish desire for a homeland in Palestine was part of the Zionist movement? Because then we are using two very different definitions and the definition I am using is the one consistent with wikipedia and the dictionary.
No serious person would classify your opinion as “objective”.
His opinion is also vastly more informed than your’s, which is the major point.