Economics of free internet porn?

Well, I guessed the porn review site you were talking about before you mentioned their name. I don’t know whether I should be happy or concerned about that.

I also wonder why I never found another site that has normal looking girls doing naughty things. Is is hard for you to find girls like that?

Since **samclem ** said we just can’t post links, myfreepaysite is a good free porn site. Though it does spam the hell out of your email, that is its only draw back.

Anecdotally, I think it’s fine for That review site. Some of the others, you’ll see no sites score below 70 or so. And I think we have all seen sites that should be scored well below 70.

That site scores pretty hard, and pisses a lot of commercial operators off.

No. But not many people seem to realise it’s what people want most, these days. Suits me.

I was actually wondering if I should be happy or concerned that I know so much about internet porn. :smiley:

It’s good to know that the site is reliable at least.

Sorry to interrupt the most excellent and informative hijacking (I always like to hear Abby’s insider perspective) but to the OP:

One of the scams was to load a Trojan on your machine that would use your modem to dial 1-900 toll numbers…so the pron was only “free” until you got your $800 phone bill.

With fewer and fewer people using dial up connections, this is probably old news…but if you run Ad Aware or other malware scanners you can still see them looking for “XXXDialers” and such.

If you got infected with some of these Trojans, and didn’t have a dial up connection, they would often cause lots of problems either intentionally, or just not handling the case of a non-existent modem well.

Another scam will load malware that will cause endless pop-ups advertising pay-for-pron that will generate referral fees for the “free” site if you sign up…and if that fails, they can always try to sell you a fix to get rid of the pop-ups.

Kevbo, my impression is there is a lot less malware out there these days associated with porn than there was. Would you agree? I think porn merchants listened to the customers about how ripping them off was not a good long term business prospect.

abby, you’ve been running your site long enough to have some insight on this.

In the U.S. porn is a stigma that can follow you you’re entire life. An elementary school teacher with an impeccable record recently got fired when the porn days of her youth were discovered.

What happens to your performers afterward? Do they get to go on and do regular things with their lives? Do they have to cover up any traces of their pasts? What happens if they are identified?

Yeah, good question. I could imagine, here in the US, that even a relatively innocuous appearance like flashing your tits on a Girls Gone Wild video might haunt you down the road. Even if it didn’t lead to officials sanctions like job termination, it might undermine your ability to attain respect and do your job properly if your co-workers found out about it.

I’d be interested to hear abby’s answer because, having grown up in Australia and lived there until my late 20s, i can tell you that porn does have some of the same stigma attached to it as in the US. Sure, Australia has far fewer hardcore (heh) fundamentalist Christians who will tell you that you’re going to hell for looking at or participating in pornography, and most people i knew in Australia had a fairly live-and-let-live attitude towards guys who watch porn. But the idea of actually starring in porn was something a little different, and i think that it would still be something which, among some people at least, you’d want to keep secret if possible.

She got fired for something she did in her youth? That sucks big time, no pun intended.

Jeez, surely we’ve all done something in our salad days that we sometimes wish we hadn’t, I know I have

Yo, chowder! Would you be so kind as to e-mail me as well? Many thanks… and I think I’ll be checking abby’s site out after work as well. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Which is funny when you consider that “punting” in American-speak basically means pussing out and not taking the chance.

-Joe

Maybe they go on to become a political reporter with special access to the Bush White House? (Look up Jeff Gannon aka James Guckert).
Or they get invited to attend a fundraising dinner with President Bush (Look up Mark Kulkis and Mary Carey).
So it seems like a ‘porn-past’ doesn’t matter if you are on the right side of the political powers that be.

FWIW, I’ve never heard “punting” used in American English outside of its football context. But punting in both soccer and Australian football is marginally more risky than its alternatives. Punting on Australian football is like going for the touchdown, so the metaphor makes sense.

t-bonham, Mary Carey has had her moment in the spotlight of California politics too. I believe she was at least a semi-legitimate contender in the electoral circus that eventually led Schwarzenegger (who might as well have been a porn star) into office.

lucky achothers :slight_smile:

The closest I’ve ever found to Abby Winters is Met-Art and Fem-Joy, but of the three AW is the best, and also the only one I ever subscribed to.

I love your work Abby!

t-bonham. If we can please keep politics out of General Questions? I seriously doubt that there are more ex-porn stars associated with any particular party.

samclem GQ moderator

It’s an issue here, but not a big one. We have shot around 1000 models, and a few of them have been busted (usually because they told someone they thought they could trust, and it turns out they could not). A few have been “genuinely” busted (ie, seen on the site by an employer). We have policies in place for dealing with this stuff.

We routinely do checkin calls with models one year and three years after doing the work, and find that some of them regretful of doing it, others ask if they can do more. Most of them are ambivilent. Some are upset, and never contacted us to say so.

All of them are living their lives as they would have either way, best as we can tell.

FTR, we only shoot amateur models, and very few of them do this kinda work after then have been with us, nor have done it before.

How much are they paid per photo session?

I really don’t know. My experience is from a few years back when it took a lot of effort to clean up a co-workers home machine. There were at least three different malware dialers on it.

dropzone, sorry, that’s moderately secret for us. We pay more than all our competition, is all I can say.

I do visit a totally free porn site ocassionally. Some of their content is fair, some is worse, some is better. Some does the job. But, it’s free because you have to give them your e-address. I decided to, partly to see what would happen. I found out. The site is still free, but I get about 5 obviously porn e-mails per day. My spam filter catches it all and it’s not a problem for me. I never open any mail that I don’t recognize, anyway, and this stuff is patently obvious. I scan for viruses every night. It’s like the lyrics of Tom Leher’s song, *My Home Town * - “There’s a price for what you used to get for free…” It’s free, but for a price.
xo, C.