Election Day [Week][Month[s]] [Year] 2020 follow-along thread

jsc1953 · November 16, 2020, 8:09pm

Newsmax – Trump’s new co-favorite, now that Fox has shown themselves to be unworthy of his love – ran an editorial recently, that proposed that Trump resign immediately and let Pence preside over the transition, including smiling and shaking hands on Inauguration Day. Pence gets the glory of being President #46 (and possibly a leg-up in 2024) while Trump avoids the humiliation of conceding defeat, and the nation gets a coherent and graceful transition.

Seems brilliant, if you start with the premise that Trump is a psychopath.

Railer13 · November 16, 2020, 8:09pm

From the article:

A state court public records lawsuit filed in Las Vegas led a judge to set a Nov. 20 deadline for Clark County Registrar of Voters Joe Gloria to turn over to the Trump campaign and the state GOP the names, party affiliations, work schedules and job responsibilities of more than 300 people who were hired to count ballots.

Why did they request this information? What good will it do them? If more Democrats than Republicans were hired, they can claim that it’s fraud?

eschrodinger · November 16, 2020, 8:13pm

Sorry – I meant, is there a way to get the whole thing to show up in the post. But I should ask elsewhere so it doesn’t clutter up this thread.

wolfpup · November 16, 2020, 8:16pm

Bring up the image on its own (e.g.- in Firefox, right-click and select “View Image”), then use that URL:

eschrodinger · November 16, 2020, 8:17pm

If it’s covered by public records laws, it would have to be released, but I sure hope they aren’t going to be harassing or digging up dirt on poll workers.

What will they do with it? They’re going to claim fraud no matter what they find.

ETA: Thanks @wolfpup!

Marvin_the_Martian · November 16, 2020, 8:20pm

Little_Nemo:

Procrustus:

I’m sure Albert Speer’s efforts were not known at the time

Speer’s efforts may not have existed at the time.

Speer started claiming he was apolitical after the war - when it was advantageous for him to do so. He was helped by the fact that he was still alive and most of the other top Nazis were dead; he could tell his version of events without fear of rebuttal.

So it’s ironic how Speer’s death triggered a backlash against his postwar redemption. People began going back to the wartime records and comparing them to what Speer had later claimed and found a lot of discrepancies. It’s now the historical consensus that Speer was fully aware of the Nazi program (including the Holocaust) and actively supported it right up until the end of the war.

You had two groups of people running Germany during the Nazi era. Those like Hitler and Himmler and Goebbels, who really believed the Jews were evil and worked on killing them. And those like Goering and Bormann and Speer who didn’t have any particular hostility towards the Jews but were willing to kill millions of Jews if it advanced their own careers.

No doubt that Speer was not what he claimed to be. My point was specifically regarding his intervention with the Gauleiters which stymied implementation of the Nero Decree. I don’t believe that modern reinterpretation of Speer has changed that. He was certainly much more evil and complicit than he claimed, but it still seems like in this case he finally did stand up to Hitler.

Whack-a-Mole · November 16, 2020, 8:41pm

FYI:

(They don’t even have the strength of their own convictions…cowards.)

susan · November 16, 2020, 9:38pm

If Pence is sworn in as 46th for a week or so, would that limit him to one 4-year term only in the future?

Happy_Lendervedder · November 16, 2020, 9:42pm

Nope because he served less than 2 years of Trump’s term. LBJ could’ve run again, he chose not to.

susan · November 16, 2020, 9:43pm

Thank you.

Procrustus · November 16, 2020, 9:43pm

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once.

From the text of the 22nd amendment.

robby · November 16, 2020, 9:44pm

No.

Ludovic · November 16, 2020, 9:50pm

But how many times could be become president of the Marianas Trench?

bobot · November 16, 2020, 9:52pm

Yup. Republicans are even talking about going back to their imaginary fiscal conservative ways. Once the Democrat is sworn in.

Railer13 · November 16, 2020, 9:53pm

No, but it would, however, give him plenty of time to issue a blanket pardon to Trump and perhaps to other enablers as well.

robby · November 16, 2020, 9:53pm

Once, for 20 minutes.

Biffster · November 16, 2020, 9:55pm

That’s because Republicans are so mature in their world view and only concern themselves with the good of the country. In other words, why in the hell does Trump have a hold on so many of the minds of Americans? He was a terrible president.

snowthx · November 16, 2020, 10:24pm

Good reason not to pursue any pandemic relief right now. If they wait then they can pin the cost on the Biden administration instead of Trump. Why add more to the already bloated Trump debt carcass.

kenobi_65 · November 16, 2020, 10:57pm

Trump’s campaign has been given a deadline of 5pm on Wednesday to file for a recount in Wisconsin. If he chooses to ask for a recount, his campaign must pay the projected cost of the process – $7.9 million – up front.

kenobi_65 · November 16, 2020, 11:00pm

Meanwhile, in Georgia, the Republican secretary of state describes some of the pressure that Trump’s supporters have been placing on him:

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Monday that he has come under increasing pressure in recent days from fellow Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), to question the validity of legally cast absentee ballots in an effort to reverse President Trump’s narrow loss in the state.

In a wide-ranging interview about the 2020 election, Raffensperger expressed exasperation with a string of baseless allegations coming from Trump and his allies about the integrity of the Georgia results, including claims that Dominion Voting Systems, the Colorado-based manufacturer of Georgia’s voting machines, is a “leftist” company with ties to Venezuela that engineered thousands of Trump votes not to be counted.

The atmosphere has grown so contentious, Raffensperger said, that both he and his wife, Tricia, have received death threats in recent days, including a text to him that read, “You better not botch this recount. Your life depends on it.”