But you don’t have anything to cite that she was a “shoo-in” and that “it wasn’t like there was any likelihood she needed to bolster her CV to get the job”. You just made that part up.
You should just retract it. Take your licks.
I don’t know a lot about “flipping houses” but there was a goddamned television show dedicated to the practice, so that leads me to believe it’s probably not a felony. So what’s the piont to that accusation in the first place? What, only Republicans are allowed to make money on real estate?
Running scared, Pubbies…running scared. What WILL we ever do with another senator who doesn’t consider herself beholden to the vultures?
Yeah, “flipping” might be a bit strong. But one of her big claims to fame is her opposition to the evil foreclosures. The fact that she’s bought foreclosures at all is not good for her. Especially with profit like that for her family members.
First of all, those foreclosures were years ago and not related to the financial crisis. You’ll have to show us where Warren came out as opposed to all foreclosures, even legitimate ones.
Secondly, as has already been pointed out, the homes were owned for years which kind of means they weren’t “flipped.” They sound like solid investments or, you know, homes.
Third, even if she bought legitmately foreclosed homes and flipped them a week later for a killing, what the hell is the matter with that? That’s good market capitalism right there, you should be applauding her.
If you’re trying to portray her as some kind of hypocrite because she’s criticized the current foreclosure crisis yet purchased foreclosed properties years before the crisis occurred, you’re kind of missing the point of her criticism. You’re comparing apples and… spaghetti.
Man, Debaser, that straw-Warren you’re dragging around is starting to look pretty flat and beat-up…
We have now verified that you’re among the elite few who does not yet realize that Howie Carr’s act is comedy, not commentary.
When you’re ready to discuss qualifications and policies, and all that other grown-up stuff you won’t find in the Herald or on talk radio, do please let us know, will you? Thanks.
Could be “a bit strong”. Or even “rather misleading”. Maybe not “bald faced lie”. Maybe not.
“Oh, look, Warren participated in a couple of completely normal real estate transactions twenty years ago. What a hypocrite!”
You know, if I had helped my brother to buy a house, most people would think I was a pretty nice guy. But apparently, if you’re a liberal law professor, that makes you evil incarnate.
As for profit – unless you have a detailed list of what renovations they did to each house, you have no ability (or right) to claim that a profit was made. A house that was bought at auction for $4,000 after a foreclosure? They’re lucky it had plumbing (and I don’t know that it did.) Sold it for $30K? I put $30K into renovations on my house in the first couple years I owned it and believe me, I paid much, much more than $4K for it.
The fact that the people who used to own the house had a kid in the first Iraq War is an obvious appeal to the Fox News demographic, but I don’t think most people believe that the bank would have handed them back their house if Warren hadn’t shown up and bought it at auction. So that’s pretty irrelevant.
I suppose there are those that are slack-jawed credulous enough believe that this somehow reflects badly on Warren, but based on the facts in the article, I’m not seeing it.
Can we get some quotes to flesh out her views on “evil foreclosures”?
I was thinking about seeing if she’d sell me Nantucket for $24 worth of beads. (The Vineyard is for tourists.)
You’re gonna match wits with that woman? You taking bets?
“That woman”? Does that bring back memories…
Every time Warren “explains” things, she is caught in more and more lies.
She claims that he parents had to elope because her mother was 1/16th Cherokiee. A couple of hours later Breitbart.com posts the documentation that shows that the parents were married in a religious ceremony in their hometown.
Then of course Breitbart finds a video where Warren is blatantly lying about her grandmother’s history.
She just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper.
Slightly embellished family history. My outrage meter is on about a 1 here. I’d put this on par with Rubio’s story about how his parents came to the US from Cuba. Not sure why she needed to be so specific with dates, though, if they actually were wrong. But I’d prefer a cite less biased than Brietbart as verification.
This is what it looks like when the outrage generator is left on too long.
She didn’t blatantly lie. She said her grandmother lived to see her graduate from college. She actually died several months earlier. But I assume it was a done deal by then.
Do you think that grammie had any reason to assume that Warren would quit college or suddenly flunk out in her senior year?
Protip: Brietbart is a news site that exists to point at normal things and scream about how they are outrageous. You’re being lied to and manipulated by people who think you’re stupid.
Well, Rubio’s story is wrong in a way that undercuts the narrative. He wasn’t fleeing Castro.
Warren’s grandma lived to see her trying on gowns in the run-up to graduation. It’s not even deceitful to say that she saw her grandchild graduating college. She saw her in college for however many years and knew that graduation was imminent.
I’d put this at outrage zero. Honestly, if this were a Republican politico, I’d think this was insane to even mention.
I would say that his parents could see the revolution coming in the same way Warren’s grandmother could see he graduation coming. The only real outrage wrt Warren’s story, assuming the analysis is correct, is that she couldn’t be arsed to check her dates. Why give them if they are clearly wrong? Did she not remember when her beloved grandmother died?
I don’t know enough of the Cuban revolution to know if it was sketchy three years before the actual revolution, so I can’t say on that part of it. They might have just been looking for a good place to do business and fleeing nothing for all I know.
But as for the dates, I could see grouping events from thirty years earlier not being sinister. And as I said, it’s not like her grand mother never knew she was graduating college. She just didn’t make it to the ceremony.
I didn’t say it was sinister. I’d call it sloppy, or if intentional, cynical.
Still, it’s a rare politician who isn’t caught having embellished his family history at one time or another. Her transgression, if it even is one, doesn’t seem out of line with what we see all the time.
Pfft. Yeah because there is nothing different about the foreclosures she was speaking out against. :rolleyes: