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I’d say that means you fell for Trump’s game too.
He convinced you that not only was this something that mattered, but that it was worth the value of your vote.
I was thinking about this today, somehow. I don’t think there is a position Warren could have taken to satisfy those who want to denigrate her. That means to me that the position she does take isn’t to blame for those mocking her.
She hasn’t lied; she’s not deluded; she is exactly who she says she is. How is any of this nonsense her fault?
This looks to me like a bullshit controversy, amounting to nothing. Warren was accused of dishonesty; Trump challenged her to take a DNA test. Test vindicated her. Trump welsched on his promise to donate $1 million to charity - another lie in a string of broken promises. Conservatives are desperate to change the subject to talk about anything but the issues facing the country.
Warren did nothing wrong and if she didn’t take the test, she would look like she’s hiding something. Getting this nonsense out of the way early was the smart move.
Whether Warren is Presidential material is another issue. We’ll see. But this is a nothingburger except insofar as it emphasizes that Trump betrays his promises without hesitation or shame.
Twitter roundup of MfM friendly commentators:
Nate Silver of 538: https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1070676918670909440
There’s something very (Hillary) Clinton-esque about the Warren DNA test story and the way the press is handling it.
—Yeah she showed poor judgement.
—But it’s a minor story treated like a major crisis.
—Probably a proxy for other concerns (and/or biases).
Greg Sargent of WAPO https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1070749551190032384
Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test is rapidly becoming the “But her emails!” of 2020. @paulwaldman1 on today’s NYT piece on Warren:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/12/06/welcome-to-but-her-emails-version-2020/?utm_term=.384306518ad0 …
Paul Waldman, WAPO column:
Welcome to “But her emails!”, version 2020.
Even if you think Warren shouldn’t have bothered with the DNA test, answer this question: So what? I mean actually answer it. See if you can complete this sentence without sounding ridiculous: Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test is extremely important to the question of what sort of president she would be and deserves endless discussion because ___.
Philippe Reines https://twitter.com/PhilippeReines/status/1070787128647446529
Dems need to live in the real world
Pocahontas, Crooked Hillary, Creepy Joe are deadly attacks
Was Warren’s plan perfect? Hardly
Ignore trump? He’ll be here until 2025
Standing up for yourself isn’t Going Low. It’s a prerequisite to standing up for us.
At two different jobs she had herself listed as Native American and she submitted recipes for that Native cookbook. So yeah, really. I’m not saying she’s some big liar – it’s just a little affectation.
A wiley politician would have felt out Cherokee leadership before releasing the test. I agree this is a minor story being overhyped but if this was an opening move to set up a Presidential run then she kinda showed she’s not that wiley.
It’s a total non issue. She’s handled like an idiot but it’s just not a huge deal, at least not for Warren herself. I see it as more an indictment of racial classification and preferences. But on the scandal scale, this is way less important than Clinton’s email problems, and while I did believe those were a legitimate scandal, I never considered them disqualifying either. Just more casual Clinton BS.
Of course, what matters in the end is whether this trifling scandal has legs. If it does, jettison her. Don’t repeat the mistake of 2016. Republicans will of course try to take down any Democrat who is a threat. But there are punches that land and punches that are slipped, and she’s getting puffy around the eyes. A far cry from Obama, who was barely inconvenienced by what the GOP threw at him. The most serious threat to his candidacy he solved with a single speech(the Wright controversy).
You know candidates can’t be jettisoned. She’s smart, hopefully smart enough to know she isn’t the woman for the job.*
*eta: she’d probably be a decent President but she’s not for the job of getting elected to it.
She should have ignored it or admitted that she didn’t have the data and that she was probably stupid to have marked the thing, 40-something years ago.
__it shows that she is willing to spend time and money, and risk political loss-of-face to respond to a throwaway taunt from a playground bully. It shows she can be baited into doing something stupid by people she should be telling to go to hell. I’d like my President to be a little smarter than that.
Jeb Bush felt that the best way to handle Trump was to ignore him, and focus his attack ads on other mainstream candidates, who together never topped 40% of the polling. Never get into a wrestling match with a pig they said.
Low energy. We all know how that strategy worked out.
Oh, you want high energy, but you don’t want high energy stupid. Trump responds to every attack, but very rarely does he come out looking better for it. And Trump does so many attacks himself if you responded to all of them that’s all you’d be doing.
Warren should have just admitted it’s a family legend and probably not true, and it was inappropriate to claim the heritage at her job.
Is it “extremely important?” Of course not. However, it does show poor judgment, and it clearly shows that she’s letting Trump get under her skin and throw her off her game. It doesn’t give me confidence that she’ll deal with him effectively during a general election. Also, I don’t think a chief executive should be so invested in “I was RIGHT! SEEEEE?” Better not to react to the needling. But she couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.
I don’t know how much it’ll hurt her chances, maybe not at all; still, given that we have about 50 people running for the Democratic nomination, people (voters, donors, and fellow pols) are going to be looking for reasons NOT to support candidates as much as they look for reasons TO support them, and this is a reason NOT to support her.
I doubt that this was Jeb’s largest issue.
What if they called you Uncle Rhemus?
As to whether it would be fair to call “bullshit” on your claim, shouldn’t that depend on whether you’ve been led to believe you have such a heritage by your family? Or whether you actually have some DNA evidence of the same? Or whether you’ve tried to use it to score points?
Resorting to colonialist ideas of blood quanta to debunk a white nationalist (trump) potentially alienated a bunch of people who are involuntarily stuck in minority status.
Remember also that there are 100’s of sovereign tribes and Trump is also directly attempting to homogenize them all, ignoring their individual cultures and sovereign rights. The democrats also haven’t won many of these people as even extremely liberal cities like my home in Seattle don’t even seem to care about murders and abductions of native women.
Elizabeth Warren tokinizing native Americans bolsters Trumps white nationalist base while disenfranchising a huge number of independent cultures and groups who are some of the most discriminated against Americans overall.
Elizabeth Warren has been ignoring the Cherokee elders for way longer than Trump has even been running for office. She should have sincerely apologized directly to the people she has slighted but instead she chose to use a modern form of scientific racism to try and win a debate point with a bigot.
She handed victory to Trump and gained nothing herself. I hope the reports are true and she apologizes to the people she should have done so to over 6 years ago.
If she doesn’t do an about face the Democrats need to find a presidential candidate doesn’t actively demonstrate the actions of benevolent racism. There isn’t a big delta between the negative effects of benevolent and explicit racism.
If she learns and helps the people she has offended a the voice they are due out of respect I fear that the turnout will be greatly reduced by those who will view as a vote in support just another flavor of racism.
Just found an interesting bit of trivia: Senator Jeanne Shaheen is actually a descendant of Pocahontas
And I think you’re overreacting, rat avatar.
You don’t even know what I think about this. I’m stating the objection that’s being made in the linked article.
But of course I do need to point out that you’re attempting to “both sides do it” very, very different situations. Had Obama’s birth certificate been invalid, it would have disqualified him from holding the office of President. In other words, nothing like this situation at all.
You may want to research the problem with people trying to connect themselves with famous people. It is an epidemic problem, especially with Ancestry.com and the ties to LDS Family History Centers and the incentivized goal of baptism for the dead.
When a minority groups express offense about something that’s happening, it is a sign of privilege and an indication you are dehumanizing them when you decide by fiat that minorities aren’t allowed to decide that they are offended by themselves.
If you don’t see why saying that the Cherokee Nation is too easily offended is a problem I suggest some reading may be in order. We all have bias but in general telling people they have no right to take offense is an easy one to catch.
I thought the test revealed 1/1024th Native American, not 1/16th or 1/32nd which would be substantial enough numbers to actually have a specific known ancestor. 1/1024th is so ridiculously negligble of a number, she would have been better off just not mentioning it.
That’s THREE ZEROES after the decimal point, in terms of percentage. That’s statistical noise. 23andMe (which I know is probably not as reliable as whatever proprietary and expensive service Warren used) said that I have .1% Native American and I have NO known Native American ancestry, no legends of Native American ancestry, and in fact no ancestry at all from North America before the 1900s, so to have Native American that far back in my lineage would have to mean that someone with Native American ancestry had to have traveled to Greece, Italy, or Eastern Europe to bring it there. The possibility is so remote that I’m inclined to just think it’s a mistake.