EMT/Hospital procedures for a concussion & possible neck injury

Ok, this is for a novel I’m writing, so nobody get excited. :wink: Here’s the scene: Our Hero has just fallen down the stairs, suffering a sprained wrist and a bump on the noggin, which knocks him out cold for a few minutes. He’s also got a severe, stabbing pain in his neck, which happened BEFORE the fall, but of course the EMT’s aren’t buying that. (The doctors later determine it’s a muscle spasm, although for supernatural/psychosomatic reasons, it feels much, much worse. As for being knocked out – when he comes around, he’s unable to move or speak, and doesn’t even know his name at first, but once the neck pain floods back he remembers everything. At least, that’s the way I wrote it…I can change it, if necessary.) OK, here are the details I’m hoping to get answers for:

  1. The EMT’s of course suspect a neck injury, so they’ll immobilize his neck and spine and of course splint his wrist. What else would they do? IV, EKG, oxygen? What’s normal procedure? (I figure his vitals are normal, perhaps elevated a bit.)

  2. At the hospital, what tests would they perform? X-Rays, of course (and all come back negative) – would they do a CAT scan? “Babinski” test or whatever it’s called? My plan is, they determine the neck injury is either whiplash or a neck spasm, but the head injury worries them enough to keep him overnight “for observation.” I’m hoping they put him in a private room w/ a TV, because he gets a “visitation” during the night, and if he’s in ICU that won’t be possible…

  3. Next day, he’s released with a (mostly) full bill of health, but not after running more tests. What would be procedure? Would they give him meds (like soma) or ask him to wear a C-collar for a few days? When would they tell him to come back for a follow-up? (I haven’t even begun to think about the HMO implications…)

Oh yeah…one small detail that’s glossed over by the EMT’s is a small indentation on the side of his neck (opposite the pain site) that looks, well kinda like a child-sized vampire bite. But it has nothing to do with his physical injuries…this time. :smiley:

Hmmm, EMTs at a scene like this would probably do some brief neurological testing. Is he back to being aware of everything by the time the EMTs arrive? He would definitely get a C-Spine collar and a backboard. Probably an IV and transport to the nearest hospital

At the hospital he is going to get a 3 or 5 view C-spine plain Xray and because of his loss of consciousness he will get a head CT without contrast too (we don’t call them CAT scans anymore, if you want some authentic jargon). He will also get a pretty thorough neurologic exam. Other things that will trigger a more extensive evaluation include nausea and vomiting, visual changes and severe headache.

As for being admitted to a private room for observation, that is not as likely unless there was some finding on exam or imaging. More than likely after he had been cleared for a spinal injury or intracranial bleed (which would take several hours, it’s possible he could have a private/semi-private room in the ER) he would be sent home with instructions to return for exacerbation of symptoms (i.e. increasing headache, loss of consciousness, nausea/vomiting, visual changes, etc)

Follow-up with your primary care doctor within a week.

WHat kind of EMTs? There are three levels of EMT. The lowest level(which is the one I was trianed in) is called Basic. I would give this guy oxygen, do full neck and back immobilization, as well as the wrist/arm. I’d have to check him head to toe for any other wounds and check motor sense. You said he can’t move at all, but could he blink to show if he felt pain? I’d also check his vitals, expecially the pupils if there’s a head injury.

THe second level is Intermediate. They can start IV’s and do a bit more advanced stuff.

The highest level is your Paramedic, who can start IV’s, do EKG’s and give meds(with a properly authorized doctor’s permission)under certain circumstances.

Oh, and all the higher levels would do the basic stuff I did, as well as their stuff.

Sorry, if that’s too detailed. I was in a volunteer fire Dept. for 3 years and my mom was/is all three levels of EMT(currently she a 'medic).

Well, by the time the EMT’s arrive, the kid (he’s 16) is acting pretty much normal except for the neck pain, which is severe. Other symptoms? Hmm…ya know, he did stay home that morning with stomach flu, I’d completely forgotten about that. And I guess he could lie and say he sees four fingers when the doc/emt holds up only two, yep he’s the bratty type. :smiley:

I hadn’t thought about types of EMT’s…the story’s set in a fairly wealthy, low-crime neighborhood, so it’s reasonable to assume they’d roll all the heavy equipment, fire truck & everything. Poor Mom’s gonna have a fit when all those firemen start tromping across her freshly vacuumed carpet, lol.

I just noticed your location KGS. Tell me more about this “visitor” he’s going to be having in the night…

Wah-chica-wah-wah…

Hehe, unfortunately nothing like that. :wink: Think more of the mysterious bite on his neck…

Oh, I forgot to ask about one part. When would our hero be allowed to eat & drink? He’s gotta eat sometime in the next 24 hours, and already (2 hrs into the ER) he’s getting mighty thirsty – pure oxygen will do that to ya, I remember quite well.

Well, once he got to the hospital and was deemed to be stable he would probably not have oxygen on anymore. He would be allowed to eat as soon as he had been cleared for neck injury, but not before the collar was off. That’s also about the time he’d be sent home, though.

Hmmm…this could get tricky.

I chose to use “creative license” and make it a 24-hour stay, which isn’t too far out of line because a 9-12 hour stay would have released him in the middle of the night, and it’s more convenient (as well as financially prudent, lol) for the hospital to hold him until morning for discharge.

However…I’d assumed that once the Xrays/CT scans came back negative, he’d be cleared for the neck injury at least. (How long would that take, 6 hours? 8?) At which point, the resident doctor would remove the collar at least long enough to have him stretch his neck, to test for whiplash or muscle sprain. After that, he’s moved to the private room for the rest of the night, to make sure he doesn’t exhibit any of the concussive signs you described. He can still wear the collar at this point…indeed, considering the nature of his nocturnal “visitor”, it’s probably rather important. :slight_smile:

Oh, and once he’s ambulatory again, he’d be allowed to use the bathroom, right? And I suppose hospital rooms don’t have showers or baths…poor kid’s dying for a shower, at this point.

Hospital charges usually go from 11pm to 11 pm. Hospitals don’t like to admit for less than 24 hours, it causes billing nightmares. Because he fell down stairs, he’d stay overnight for observation. Its possible to have delayed bleeding after a head bonk.
As far as clearing his C-spine: its normally done by direct exam plus xray plus the patient denying pain. With the neck pain you describe (a doctor wouldn’t be able to tell the difference) They wouldn’t take his word that the pain is exactly the same as before the accident. They would clear the C-spine by Cat scan. In a busy Trauma Center, that could take as long as 2 day! As long as his C-spine isn’t cleared he not only doesn’t get out of bed, he doesn’t even get to turn himself. He’ll be log-rolled by 2 nurses every 2-4 hours. He’ll use a urinal & bedpan until cleared. As I said no matter how much he protests, he has a head injury with LOC (loss of consciousness) That bought him a ticket on the “Trauma Train” and no one disembarks until the end of the line.

As picunurse said, most hospitals don’t count admissions of less than 24 hours as real admissions. Most have what is known as 23 hour observation which is billed differently. Some emergency rooms are more private than others. The one’s I’ve worked in have had single patient rooms that are around a corner or down a hall that are secluded enough for an unnoticed visitor provided the visit isn’t too long.

You could give him a fever with the neck stiffness and mental status changes and he can probably buy himself a meningitis work-up with a private room after he’s cleared for spine injury. Could work if he’s recently been bitten or otherwise inoculated with something.

Ok, I’ve written him up to the ER, where he’s lying in a corner (still strapped in) waiting for the test results. picunurse, when you said “log-rolled”, does that mean turning him on his side for 2-4 hours, or just, you know, rocking him a bit? No fever, but he did puke all over the doctor checking him out (vestiges of the stomach flu I’d conveniently written in earlier) to fit the more ominous symptoms, and of course him getting belligerent and lying during the sharp/dull and “How many fingers?” test didn’t help his case. :slight_smile: I’m wondering now, how often will the staff check his vitals & ask if he still knows who he is, where he is, etc.

Had to trash a few pages where he looked around the room and watched other patients, until I realized, strapped to a board & collar means you can’t see shit, except the ceiling. Man that would suck.

I did contact a friend who’s an M.D., though not in the loop on current trauma procedures. He gave me a rundown on the neurological tests, which was cool. When I told him which hospital I used as a setting (a real medical center, near here) he rolled his eyes and said, “At least you didn’t put him in County!” Hehehe…

The "what day is it? whose the president? routine is absolute. Vital signs & neuro assessment every 15 minutes for a couple hours, a least, if stable less often but not less than every hour. Yes, I mean he would be turned side to side.
If he has the flu he’d have a fever. Food poisoning, perhaps (AKA gastroenteritis)?
Belligerent gets him leather restraints.They have to be checked every 15 minutes too. He’d have one or two IV’s, a heart monitor while in ER, a pulse oxymeter, attached to a finger to monitor his O2. He would also get a "trauma blood panel. Basicly every blood test that can be performed in one hour or less. It includes drugs and ETOH.

I’m having trouble visualizing the “side to side” thing. Does that mean they’d prop him up with pillows, or actually strap his backboard to the examination table and turn that to the side?

Food poisoning is a definite possibility; not all stomach flu’s have fever (at least, not the ones I’ve had) but I could write in a slight fever to make the staff more nervous about his condition. The doctor’s already told him to CTFD (Calm The Fuck Down) so leather straps won’t be necessary.

Right now I’m working up to the scene where he’s interviewed by the staff psychiatrist/social worker – I’ve got a pretty good handle on the psychological side of things, but I’m thinking of having her mention your “Trauma Train” line, since that metaphor is priceless. :wink:

I’ve jotted down a bunch of notes based on your OP and amended them a bit based on others’ responses. I included everything, even if it’s already been covered or it contradicts something someone has already said.

My recommendations are based on my training and experience. I’m a Wilderness First Responder. I’ve been first on the scene for several serious incidents, and I’ve been carted off on the “trauma-train” (hee!) myself. I’m pretty confident in the accuracy of what I’m reporting, but if a currently-working EMT, Paramedic, ER nurse or ER doc contradicts me, take their word over mine.

Also, a regular M.D. will be a lot less useful to you as a source of information than an EMT, Paramedic, ER nurse, or a doctor who deals with ER patients. Things are very different out there in the “real world” than in a doctor’s office. I would suggest that you write your section using the recommendations in this thread, and then have it looked at by various people who would regularly respond to a situation like the one you describe. If you offer to acknowledge them in your book, they’d probably be more than happy to help you out.

So, here are my suggestions and questions for you, in no particular order:

–Who called 911? Was it your character? Is someone else present? Or does he not know? This is important to making the actions of the EMTs realistic.

–In a case like the one you described, it’s unlikely that paramedics would show up, unless there happened to be paramedics sitting around looking for something to do. It’s more likely that EMTs would show up. (You don’t have to specify whether they’re basic or intermediate, unless it’s relevant for some reason.) There are generally more EMTs available to respond to things. Also, it’s unlikely that the fire department would show up. Basically, the training level below “EMT” is “First Responder.” A first responder knows how to secure the scene and start to stabilize the patient. Cops and firefighters are first responders at a minimum. (A Wilderness First Responder is technically at the same level as regular first responders, but the training is very very different–but that’s a subject for another thread. If I, a WFR, am in a non-wilderness setting, my responsibilities and authorizations revert to those of a regular first responder, with some exceptions.) If 911 is called, what their goal is to get someone of at least first responder level on the scene as soon as possible, and get EMTs of the right level and the appropriate equipment on the scene as soon as possible. In most cases, a cop can get there faster than the ambulance. If the fire department can get there faster than the cops, or if they have some firefighter/EMTs available, they might come first. But I think for the sake of your story, you should just leave the firefighters out of it. Depending on your narrative, you can either have the cops show up and then the EMTs a few minutes later, or just have the EMTs only show up. Usually, though, if EMTs are sent, cops show up too. If you want someone tromping across the freshly vacuumed carpet, have the cops do it.

–The very first thing that the EMT or the cop on the scene will do is try to stabilize the patient’s head with his or her hands and arms. Ask an EMT to show you exactly how it’s done for the different positions that the character might be in. They will move the patient as little as possible. So, if your character is sitting on the bottom step when they arrive, that is where he will stay until they are ready to actually put him on the backboard. Once the head is stabilized by hand, the EMTs will set up a cervical collar and put it on the patient if possible, relieving the need for someone to hold the head manually. (I saw an amusing scene the other day. I was driving by the scene of an apparently minor motorcycle crash. The motorcyclist must have been on feet when the ambulance arrived, so the EMT was holding his head stable in a standing position. What made it amusing is the biker must have been 6’6" and the EMT was a teeny tiny woman. She was on her tippy toes holding his head! I assume that someone a bit taller took over as soon as possible. But that tiny woman was standing stock still on her tippy toes holding that guy’s head perfectly still. EMTs are my heroes for a reason.) Basically, the whole point of the whole spine stabilizition procecure is to try to minimize any injury to the spinal cord. Say, for example, a patient has a broken vertebra. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s been any injury to the spinal cord (the nerve bundle) itself. If a patient is managed properly, it’s often possible to prevent sharp bits of bone from injuring the spinal cord. As you know, many people suffer “broken backs,” but have no paralysis. And if there is some injury to the spinal cord itself, proper handling can minimize further injury–so someone might end up partially paralyzed, but not completely. Most people don’t understand this, so a lot of what the EMT on the head does is try and convince the patient not to move. Sometimes, the EMT has to kind of yell at the patient because it’s really really important to keep things as stable as possible.

–I want to clear up an apparent misunderstanding that you seem to have–EMTs don’t really do any diagnosis beyond what is absolutely necessary for them to stabilize and transport the patient. In your OP, you mention that the EMTs “aren’t buying” the fact that he had a pain in his neck before the fall. That’s not for them to decide. As far as they’re concerned, there has been a significant mechanism for a spinal and head injury, and they will manage the patient as if he DOES have a spinal injury, regardless of what he says. They will note what he said about having the pain before, and will pass that information along to the ER docs, but they will not make any decisions based on it. Also, they won’t “gloss over” the bite mark on his neck. They will note it, but as it’s not bleeding, it seems like a lower priority than the possible spinal and head injuries, they will not do anything about it. Ask an EMT for the proper medical term to describe that kind of wound. Different types of wound have different names–a wound where the skin is torn away is called an avulsion, for example. I’m blanking on the right term for what you describe.

–I don’t know how much detail you want to put in about the EMTs and the patient’s interactions with them, but just in case, here are some pointers about how EMTs talk: One EMT will be in charge of the situation, usually the one who is “on the head.” Also, the one on the head will be the one who does most of the talking to the patient. An EMT will usually introduce herself and identify herself right away. She might say “Hi, my name is Joan. I’m an EMT, and I’m here to help you. What’s your name?” Also, if she can learn the patients name, she will use it a LOT. “Okay, Bill, can you feel me squeezing your toe? Bill, do you know who the president of the United States is?”

–The EMTs will ask the patient a lot of questions and relate lots of information to each other about the patients vital signs and condition. They will ask the patient when he last ate and if he is on any medications, for example. They will mention to each other things like his blood pressure, breathing rate, and color and condition of his skin (pale and clammy) for example. The questions that they ask and the data that they gather are pretty standard, so it would be easy enough to get a full list. You mentioned the mother character. If she’s present, and if you want to either do some character development or add some funny bits, this would be a good place to do it. EMT: “Have you used any illegal drugs in the past 30 days?” Mom: “Does he look like a druggie to you?! How dare you? My son is an honor student!”

–The EMTs will also probably cut open some of the patient’s clothes and do a full body exam. They’ll palpate all parts of his body and ask “does this hurt?” over and over. You mentioned in the OP that they would “splint” his sprained wrist. I’m not sure what you mean by splint in this case. Chances are, they’ll just make sure that the wrist is immobilized, but won’t spend a lot of time or energy on the splinting. They may not even do an actual splint, and might immobilize it against his body. The wrist is of a much lower priority than the spinal and head stuff, so their goal will be to make sure that it doesn’t sustain further injury and that the blood flow is not cut off. They’ll also try to minimize the pain that it causes, but that is less important than the other things. A likely scenario is that your character will be in a lot of pain from the wrist, and be frustrated that the EMTs are seemingly paying very little attention to it.

–One thing that no EMT or medical person will say in this case: “He’s in shock.” This is one of my pet peeves on doctor shows and in movies. Shock is a specific and very serious life-threatening physical condition. It does not refer to someone who is upset or hysterical and needs to be sedated. It doesn’t sound like your character is in shock.

–Speaking of which, some posters above stated that the EMTs might give the patient oxygen or set up an IV. I’m not sure I see why they would do this. It seems like the patient is breathing just fine and doesn’t appear to be in immediate need of fluids or IV-administered medication. EMTs usually try to minimize the actual treatment that they do because starting one treatment might well interfere with another treatment that is deemed necessary at the hospital. They’ll do what they have to do to get the patient to the hospital in a stable condition, but they won’t do more than necessary. Your character might well get an IV once he’s in the ER, but I don’t see why oxygen would be used at all. Unless someone can explain why it would be deemed necessary, don’t have the EMTs do the oxygen or the IV.
–You noted that the patient will spend some time strapped to the backboard, and thus couldn’t look around. EMTs and ER personnel know that when people are on a backboards, that they can’t look over to see who’s talking to them. So, they will make a point of getting into his field of vision to talk to him if they can. From the patient’s perspective, this looks pretty weird, especially if he’s not used to it. They’ll be only able to see a little section of sky or ceiling, and then suddenly, heads will pop in and talk to him. They kind of look like floating disembodied heads. Also, the patient’s hearing is affected, as he can’t turn his head or see who’s talking. It makes it pretty hard to hear what you want to hear–but at the same time, it sometimes makes it easier to overhear stuff, maybe because you’re not as distracted. Given the nature of your story, these perceptual anomalies could be useful. Perhaps you could arrange to have yourself put on a backboard sometime. It’s a weird feeling.

–You mention that your character is "bratty"and might lie in response to some of the questions he is asked. First of all, being strapped to a backboard tends to make people much more cooperative than normal. Second, medical personnel know how to deal with obnoxious people. So, I don’t see his intentional lies as being very likely to be the factor that gets him admitted. But it’s easy enough to get him admitted and into his own room. Just give him a set of symptoms that CAN be indicative of increased intracranial pressure, but aren’t necessarily sure signs of it. The fact that he lost consciousness is a very serious warning sign. But you can add other stuff that can be explained away. The nausea and vomiting is good, especially if he conveniently forgets to mention the stomach flu to the EMTs and the first round of ER nurses and docs. Give him a splitting headache, too. That can be a result of dehydration due to the stomach flu. As he’s rehydrated by the IV, the headache can subside. Often, people with increased ICP have what is known as DIChead syndrome. I forget exactly what the D stands for, but I think the I is irritability and the C is combativeness. So, if your character is bratty and obnoxious, there might be some suspicion of DIChead syndrome that turns out to be just his personality. In fact, this is sometimes a problem for EMTs–how do they know whether the guy has DIChead syndrome as a result of a concussion or whether he has a permanent case of it? I said that your character intentionally lying in response to questions is unlikely to be the single factor that gets him admitted into the hospital, but you can work it into the mix. If he gets too bored on that backboard, he might well start changing his story in response to getting the same questions over and over. So, if he says that he’s having double vision, the nurses might well be pretty sure he’s lying, but they’ll want to play it safe and make decisions based on the possibility that it might be true. Two signs of spinal or brain injury that are NOT easily explained away: uneven pupil dilation and numbness in the extremities, so don’t go there.

–You can easily put him in a room by himself without having to justify a true “private” room. Since you have him in a private hospital and not a county hospital, conditions may well not be crowded at all. Just put him in a regular room with two beds, and have the other bed be empty. Have the nurse tell him that he’s lucky that he came in on a slow day. Or, you could put a patient into the other bed, and have him have some kind of an emergency in the middle of the night that requires that he be transferred into the ICU.

–Some hospital rooms have showers. Some don’t. If your patients has been cleared for a spinal injury, and is being held for observation because of suspicion of a brain injury, they wouldn’t let him take a shower. They would sponge bathe him if he was dirty. If you NEED him to take a shower, you can always have him sneak in, but that would be kind of tricky with an IV.

Just saw your last post:

–When I was in the hospital with food poisoning, I was told by the ER docs that most cases of “stomach flu” or “24-hour flu” are actually mild cases of food poisoning. I don’t know if that’s true, but it does seem that the symptoms of “stomach flu” are more consistent with the symptoms of mild food poisoning than influenza. I don’t know if fevers are at all common with food poisoning. I don’t think that it’s really necessary to specify that whether it’s actually food poisoning or not. Stomach flu is a term that is pretty much universally understood. But I’d check to see whether fevers are associated with mild food poisoning, and decide what you want to do accordingly.

–I’m not sure that your character would have even been on the “trauma train.” I’ve never heard that term specifically, but when it was done to me, it was referred to as being “trauma teamed.” I was hit by a car while biking and landed on my head. I was backboarded and rushed to the hospital. As soon as they had me out of the ambulance, I was immediately surrounded on all sides by doctors and nurses. They hooked me up to every monitor available and did every test you could think of. Basically, everybody was poking me and prodding me all at once and yelling STAT! a lot. They were checking me for spinal and head injuries of course, but also for internal bleeding and other scary stuff. As it turned out, I only had very minor injuries (I always wear a helmet), and was released within a couple of hours. Compare that to when I was rear-ended while driving and had significant neck pain. I was backboarded and taken to the hospital in an ambulance, but there was no urgency in the way I was treated. Urgency was unneccessary. Your character’s fall may be more similar to my bike accident than my car accident, but I’d check before you assume that the trauma team would be called. Your psychologist could still use the term, though. I agree that it’s priceless.

–I realize I didn’t answer your question about whether the doc would have him wear a c-collar after release. After my car accident, which was this year, the doc told me that they don’t usually have people wear c-collars any more unless there’s a specific reason. He said that for general cases of soft-tissue injuries (whiplash), they don’t help much and they may even interfere with healing. Obviously, there might be a specific reason why your character is given one, but I wouldn’t assume that he’d be given one automatically. After the doc told me that, I realized that it used to be common to see people walking around with big fat white c-collars, and now you almost never see that. You do see people with neck braces, but of a different and seemingly more effective type. I guess if someone needs a neck brace, they give them one of those.

WOW! Lotta info there, Green Bean, thanks! Ok…

  • First of all, the story’s told from the teenager’s point of view, so I’m as concerned about all the technical details as I am with what happens to him. He himself doesn’t understand, but the specifics have to be real enough for an MD/EMT/Nurse reading the story to think, “Oh yeah, they’re testing for lateral paralysis,” etc.

  • His Mom calls 911. She actually witnessed the fall (and in a roundabout way sort of caused it…) so she knows he was knocked cold for about a minute, and can tell the medics that he was sick that morning. She also mentions how he’s a pathological liar, etc. etc…

  • EMT’s…well, the one time I called 911 on myself, they sent the full crew – fire squad, truck & ambulance. Come to think, the EMT’s who worked on me were in firemen’s uniform, so they must have been paramedics. Hmm. Anyway, the EMT’s I wrote up as generic medics in navy blue shirts, who showed up with a fire crew. I could change that, as the firemen do nothing really. (Except, one of them suddenly notices a Breaking News event on TV which is crucial to the storyline…but that can be worked around.) They start him on IV & oxygen (which everyone else says is S.O.P., plus it gets the kid a little euphoric as they wheel him out) but they decide against starting an EKG, since his vitals are stable. Oh, and I named the EMT’s “John” and “Roy”…because, you know, I can. :slight_smile:

  • The “bite mark” is more of an indentation, it doesn’t break the skin. The kid complains that his neck pain feels like a spider bite, and that’s how they find the mark. One of the EMT’s suggests it could just be a mark caused by his necklace when he fell.

  • Backboard…I tried lying on my back to see how much I could see just moving my eyes, and that’s how I discovered, not a lot. Turning him on his side would afford him at least a lot more stuff to look at, like other screaming patients, etc. (No TVs in the ER, right? That’s critical.) I like the “floating disembodied heads” description, it does fit in with the story’s overall tone.

  • “DIChead” syndrome – well, the kid’s not physically combative, but he’s definitely uncooperative and has one HELL of a mouth. He’s also smart enough to stop struggling once the nurses threaten to tie his arms & legs down. Basically, his mood at this point is being very upset that nobody seems to listen to him or believe him, i.e. the neck pain preceding his fall. In other words, your typical angsty teenager. :wink:

  • While the shower’s out, I wanted to give him a chance to change clothes (esp. since he’s got puke all over him now) and maybe wash himself in the bathroom sink, but all the EKG & IV wires will make that very problematic, esp. with an immobilized wrist. My friend suggested it would be ok for the nurses to disconnect the EKG around midnight, after he’s been in the observation room a few hours & already cleared from the neck injury. (That’s right about when the “visitation” scene happens, too.)

  • The post-discharge C-collar would be useful since he’s ashamed to go out in public wearing it, esp. at school. (Another character-builder, basically.) Come to think, I haven’t seen anyone wearing a C-collar in public in a long time…well, I might just take creative liberty with that one. :wink:

Umm…that second paragraph should say, “I’m not as concerned about the technical details…” D’oh! (I previewed it, too…)

I have some thoughts on who shows up. Different municipalities have different procedures on who will resond to a 911 medical call.

For instance, in New York City, up until a few years ago the Emergency Medical Service (EMS) was responsible for all medical calls, and they would send an ambulance. I believe that all New York City ambulance personnel are fully trained Paramedics, or at least there is one fully trained Paramedic on each ambulance crew.

Recently EMS was merged into the FDNY, and all FDNY ambulance crews are technically members of the fire department, and wear fire department uniforms (the blue shirts, etc., not turnout gear). There are also private ambulance services and services run by the hospitals, but I believe that they are mostly dispached jointly by the FDNY.

At around the same time, the City began dispaching fire apparatus to each medical call. Because there were more fire houses than ambulance dispach points, the fire crews would frequently be able to get there more quickly and start providing basic care before the medics arrived.

In any event, having medics (it really doesn’t matter for the purposes of your story whether they were EMT-Basics or Paramedics, and the victim would likely not know the difference) arrive along with a fire crew would probably be entirely believable.

Knowing why the EMTs are doing what they are doing will help you envision it from the character’s perspective. And if you want your character to be fighting and/or challenging them, you have to know what they consider important.

Well, as Bill said, fire crews are sent in some places. Put the fire crew in if it helps the story. Leave them out otherwise. And John and Roy are very good names for EMTs! I’d really do some checking into the oxygen and IV thing, though. I don’t think it is S.O.P. The only time I’ve seen an IV given at the scene was a VERY serious high-speed motorcycle crash where they helicoptered the guy out. They didn’t give even that guy oxygen. Oxygen might be S.O.P. for a heart attack or something, but why would they give it to someone who fell down the stairs?

They wouldn’t turn him on his side while he was still on the backboard. Also, there would be stuff around his head to keep it still, so he’d be able to see even less than you may think. And, IME, there aren’t usually screaming patients in the ER. Moaning patients, maybe. There would certainly be a TV in the ER waiting room, but in most cases, the patients that are already IN the ER wouldn’t be able to see or hear it. And, FWIW, they tend to be pretty serious about making sure cellphones are turned off. So if you’re trying to make sure that your character doesn’t overhear any outside news, you’re pretty safe.

If he’s on a backboard, his arms and legs are already tied down. Being on a backboard means that you are entirely immobilized. But once he’s off the backboard, you can certainly have the nurses threaten to strap him back on to it! “Combative” behavior doesn’t mean only physically combative behavior. He can be verbally combative, too.

I’m not sure why he would be on an EKG at all. But going to the sink to wash wouldn’t be a problem. The IV will be on some kind of movable pole, and he should be able to do ordinary bathroom stuff if he’s careful not to pull on the needle part of it. Usually the tube is long enough so that’s not a problem.

You can put him in a neck brace, but I’d not have him in one of those big white things. There are some nice ones on this page:http://spinalbrace.com/neckbraces/ The ones called “extrication collars” are the ones that the EMTs would put on him. The other ones are those that the doctor would prescribe that he wear on discharge.

Ok, I’m getting a little confused about the backboard thing. You say he wouldn’t be turned at all, but picunurse says he’d be turned every two hours, no matter what. In this chapter, I’m figuring about 6-8 hours from when he arrives to when the Xrays/CT scans confirm that there’s no spinal injury, after which it’s straight to DOU. Would the ER team transfer him to another type of restraint? (I’m sure John & Roy want their backboard returned to them…)

Once he was in the ER, they would take him off the backboard at some point. I’m not sure exactly when they would take him off it, though.

Having someone fully immobilized on a backboard is bad for 2 reasons: it becomes very uncomfortable for the patient, and it actually carries its own risks. So, they’d keep him on it as long as necessary, but wouldn’t just leave him on it for 6-8 hours–unless they had some good reason.