English Premier League 2018-19

I must say that I have to give props to the Arsenal for the third goal Monday against my beloved Foxes. That goal is classic Arsenal football, which I have enjoyed watching when they play it for years. The deft pass from Özil to Aubameyang at the end, done with the outside of the left foot because that’s the one he had available, is sublime, perhaps even more sublime than the re-direction he scored on in the first half.

God help the rest of the League if Emery manages to get them playing like that regularly.

Well, Foxes get lucky and survive with a draw against the Hammers. Mind you, it took #LCFC more than 45 min. to score against 10 men. Not exactly potent on offense right now. :frowning:

The Leicester owners helicopter has crashed moments after taking off from the pitch. Doesn’t look at all good. Sorry, I can’t post links with this device.

Current news reports of the crash are very confused. One report says that the ambulances left slowly and not on blue lights, which is very bad news.

From the BBC:

But let us remember that the pilot was definitely on board. :frowning:

Separately, Glenn Hoddle, the former England manager, has been taken to hospital.

Left to be determined is whether or not the Chairman/Owner was on board. :frowning:

I’ve seen the video; it’s doubtful anyone survived. God help them.

A sad update: the chairman and three other people are believed to have died.

Heh - bit of zombie rehab, here.

Man U continue to turn up the suck, managing just a draw in Southampton. Only 14 games in, they’re already trailing table leaders City by 16 points.

Saw awesome assist yesterday from Messi to interesting prospect Carles Alena. Quite the through ball.

Total cracker of a north London derby. Well, came down to earth a bit when Arsenal pulled ahead 4-2 over Tots. Great game.

Is Klopp weirder than Mourinho?(ok maybe not weapons grade effed up like coprophiliac Joachim Low, but skeevy enough)

Missed edit window by, oh, millenia.

What a scary fuckin set of teeth that dude has.

Edit on the edit - ok maybe not scary, but formidable.

I’ve noticed in the last few weekends that teams will sometimes do a substitution during the second half stoppage time. Is there really that much benefit to having one fresh set of legs on the pitch for two minutes, or is more of a delaying/confusion tactic ?

Sometimes its just so a player will get a standing ovation coming off the pitch.

Usually it’s a delaying tactic by a team keen to hold of for a win/draw, though it can have other uses as noted by madsircool. Referees should be adding on at least as much time as the substitution takes, though, so it’s probably more for breaking up play/letting the rest of the team have a quick breather before the final onslaught by the other side. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to compile stats on its effectiveness? Probably too difficult/too many other variables to learn much about it.

Today’s Liverpool v Manchester United result shows just how bad the situation at United has gotten. Unable to compete evenly over the course of 90 min. Scoring only on a bad mistake by the opposing 'keeper; no other serious threat offered to the Liverpool goal. Allowing an endless number of shots, corners, and so forth. And, most importantly, once again leaving the most expensive, and, arguably, best player on the bench the entire game against an opponent of the highest caliber. Yeah, it was a bit of bad luck that they had to swap in Bailly for Smalling right before kick-off, but still, the real trouble with the team wasn’t the back line.

Standing 6th after almost a full half-season, one has to think it’s been done with smoke and mirrors. How likely is it that the rest of the season will produce substantially better results?

And those two game deciding lucky deflected goals for Liverpoo. I get that things are bad at Man U and Mourinho is evolving into paranoid 1944 Hitler, but Man U should have gotten a draw today and that is a good result for a visiting side.

ManU was absolutely played off the pitch the entire game. A draw would have been extremely kind to them. 64% possession and 36(!) shots, 11 on net. ManU had 2 on net. 3.1 vs 0.7 expected goals. The score line, if anything, flattered ManU.

I don’t disagree the stat line was unflattering for them but again it was two lucky deflected goals on the last 20 minutes that decided the match. It was both funny and disturbing when the camera would find Pogba on the bench obviously trapped in his own personal hell. I have the feeling that if Man U fired Mourinho this morning almost any competent coach could turn them around quickly.

I didn’t see the game, but reports I have heard all agree there was no way United deserved a point. If you allow the opponent a lot of shots on goal, how “lucky” is it that one or two are deflected in?

You can’t claim that ManU deserved a point because Liverpool scored two deflected goals when ManU’s only goal was based on luck and also ignoring all the goals Liverpool didn’t score because of bad luck.

Truth is the scoreline was pretty reflective of the game, ManU was dominated and didn’t deserve any points. The argue they deserved a draw is pure homerism.

As a Man U fan, I have to grudgingly tip my hat to Liverpool, who dominated the game. Only Liverpool’s goalie mistake prevented a shutout.

I think almost any game at any level is better with a motivated and happy Pogba in it but it appears that the gloom and doom permeating the atmosphere at United has wreaked its havoc on him as well. There appears to be some concern, as voiced by Jose, that United can’t simply use its vast wealth to buy trophies with the ease it once did and that seems to be infecting the whole organization.

Well, despite the stats, the whole game wasn’t as bad as the score line appeared. Here’s my take:

The first 5 min. showed that United came in with resolve to be plucky contenders. They were controlling the ball, looking for ways to get Young and Dalot forward, probing for chances to slip the ball to either Rashford or Lingard. Liverpool were up to the task of stopping them.

The next roughly 25 min. were a demonstration of how Mourinho’s set-up was over-matched by Klopp’s set-up. Young especially was neutered by the way Liverpool flooded his side of the pitch, forcing him to stay back and play as a fourth back line player. Matic and especially Herrera looked uncomfortable with their roles, acting as if they had to be fifth and sixth players in the back lines at times (Herrera, especially, was giving the ball away a LOT as they tried to transition out of defense). A goal for Liverpool was inevitable, and came exactly as you’d expect, by taking advantage of the space Herrera and Matic were ceding to the Reds just outside the penalty area (where the excellent Fabinho had time to bake a freakin’ cake before lifting the pass to Mané).

Then came the United goal against the run of play, and for the last 15 min. of the half, there was a stalemate as Liverpool lost their aggressive attacking poise and let United get more settled on the ball. But the tactical side hadn’t changed, so United weren’t able to do much with this period.

After the half, the introduction of Fellaini for Dalot changed everything for United. Dalot hadn’t shown that he could do much down the right (certainly incapable of beating Robertson). Fellaini was used to neutralize the Liverpool midfielders (especially at this point Keita, who became mostly anonymous); Young was simply moved into the back line where he was playing anyway, and that made it easier for Matic and Herrera to move forward a bit and help shut Liverpool down. Klopp let his team have 20 min. of trying to re-assert their dominance tactically, then gave in and changed things up by removing the ineffective Keita and getting Shaqiri on the field (given the results, no wonder he was impatient at how long it took to get Shaqiri instructed on set piece positioning!).

And that leads to the last 20+ min., where Mourinho failed to react to Shaqiri’s introduction. Shaqiri made all the difference. He recognized that Herrera and Matic were still leaving plenty of workable space just outside the penalty area, and that Fellaini was incapable of covering three men at once. So he just buzzed around finding space and doing something useful with it. And this energized Liverpool, and flummoxed United, and thus that last 20 min. was all Liverpool. Yes, the two goals were “lucky”, but you make that luck by having enough chances. And the introduction of Martial for the poor Herrera didn’t make an iota of difference; not sure Martial managed to even touch the ball more than a handful of times after coming on.

Which brings us back to Paul Pogba. £83M spent on him, and Mourinho is saying that Matic, Herrera, Fellaini all are better? That they all were more likely to stop Liverpool’s midfield? Hell, Mouinho’s last introduction was Juan MATA, for goodness sake, rather than Pogba. It’s ludicrous. A manager is supposed to be someone who brings out the BEST in his players, not turns them into sulking pine-splinter sufferers. Why even put Pogba on the bench in the first place, if he’s not going to use him? Which of the players on the pitch would Pogba have come on for, prospectively, if he never got introduced into this game?

And contrast Liverpool. Every time I watch Virgil Van Dijk in a Liverpool kit, playing like the dominant center-back that he is, I can’t help but feel that it’s the ultimate indictment of United the last six years, because in the Ferguson days, you just KNOW Van Dijk would have been wearing a red and black strip instead. £75M spent by the 'Pool does NOT just sit on a bench wasted. Is it any wonder that United are scratching to even make Europe at all next year, while the Reds are challenging for a title?