Enteprise "The Forgotten" (Spoilers)

Bah. By the time of this guy, your galley service will have been all but totally replaced by replicators.

(Except on the U.S.S. Voyager, which has a conventional 20th-century-looking kitchen for some reason.)

Well, it was either make some kithen space or put Neelix at Tactical… :eek:

Go check out this ENT teleplay.

Rather amusing.

I like the weapons targeting paperclip

That’s right up there with the hummingbird eatting Praying Mantis in another thread.

I still prefer phaser cutting phasers to 20’s death rays, manti, or any damn paper clips.

Reed is a stud? :slight_smile:

Waiter! I’ll have what he’s drinking.

Hasn’t anyone seen “E [squared–too lazy to do a superscript]” yet?

heh – but not too lazy to type out a longer explanatory phrase.

Nope – new eps for me come on Wednesday at 8 PM. I’ll see it tomorrow night.

My DirecTV onscreen TV listings give the episode title as “E2.” I had no idea the 2 was supposed to be an exponent until viva pointed it out above. I guess DirectTV can’t do superscripts.

Oh, and here’s the episode title without having to resort to the use of superscript HTML/vB codes:

E² thread

Snooooopy you raise a good point, so I’ll respond. I wish this was a live dialogue; I can be more clear in hashing out ideas with some immediate feedback.

TNG does have a different style, but it seems ENT’s style is still eluding me. I keep seeing I saw Archer as making questionable and hard decisions, but not having a clear path. He’s “morally right” or “forced to be bad”, then he is infiltrating to find what’s going on and the next moment he’s threatening a prisoner or going on a suicide mission.

In the beginning I saw Archer as an engineer who wanted to fulfill his father’s dreams. Then he grew into a captain who wanted to explore. He appeared as a leader nurturing Trip as a brash engineer into a leader. He guided Hoshi to grow more confident in herself. He led by example showing T’Pol how human compassion and passion can succeed where logic fails. Archer upheld principles of integrity and rats on the Vulcans to the Andorians. He later gives Mayweather a lesson on following a human code of behaviour. All this is exemplified by Archer rescuing Suliban from a prison camp. Here Archer tries to put aside his feelings and not assume all Suliban are bad.

Now we have the arc. Archer is faced with saving the entire human race. A daunting responsibility and one that should change him. I just can’t figure out who he is right now. Should I be able to? Archer is trying to work out all of this too. I just feel that Archer isn’t progressing in any one particular direction as a character. First he searches for people and information. Then he destroys zombie-Vulcans. They infiltrate versus destroy a kemocite factory. He has to create Trip’s clone and kill it. He treats the Triannon well; taking them home to see how religious zealotry failed. He wants to capture the probe for analysis. He cons Degra with mind games. He threatens a Trannie unsuccessfully. He tries a suicide mission. Then he tries negotiating with Degra again.

It just seems that in one episode he is morally righteous and the next he is forced to be “morally wrong for the greater good”. He tries negotiation then tries force. What makes it hardest is that Archer always seems to be apologizing or annoyed at himself. A captain of the First Starship has got to have been through enough command school and training to have determined what he believes and what principles he is going to follow. He should have huge debates with himself about all of the choices he has made. He should more debates with T’Pol, Trip and Phlox for storytelling’s sake even though a Captain needs to decide for himself. But once a course is chosen he should not brood about it.

A telling (and just plain recent) example for me is when Trip blows up at Degra and Archer is restraining himself from yelling at Trip and being obsequious with Degra. Either try to take out the Council and the Weapon, or show them who humanity is and why we are not trying to kill the Xindi. Take the Enterprise in and blow it and everything else up, or maybe just sit down with Degra and the Arboreal in the library and show them all of Earth’s history and culture. Just ask them what history and evidence they have for thinking humans are out to destroy the Xindi. It’s a classic junior high thing where the girl thinks the guy doesn’t care and the guy is just to shy to go up and ask.

I think I’m rambling now. Archer just seems to be too “dramatic” instead of being a leader.

As much as I dislike the character (Kill Archer! Promote Trip!) I think that’s where he is now. :slight_smile:

I’m with you all the way in this campaign. :slight_smile:

OK, so we’re gonna do this a’ la Bjo Trimble.
Sneak onto the executive parking lot at Paramount and put “Kill Archer! Promote Trip!” bumper stickers on the limos. Or Lexus. What ever.