Enterprise: Regeneration spoilers

Pretty good.
Continuity and canon are preserved.
Pure adventure, not a moral tale like last week.
Archer commands and Mayweather speaks.
People die. T’Pol goes for the Spock solution. Maybe it’s the Vulcan solution.

Contains what may be my third favorite Trek line. After the Borg have escaped sick bay, Archer tells the bunged up guard “Stay here in case something else happens.”
Yeah, you did such a good job the first time!

(Second line is from Devil In The Dark:
Kirk “They’re aigs, aren’t they?”
Spock “Yes, Captain, eggs.”
and the third from TWOK
Kirk: “Here it comes.”)
Ha! I hijacked my own thread in the first post.

Is there a PandaBorg?

Pandas?
We ain’t got no pandas.
We don’t need no stinkin’ pandas!

Looking forward to seriuos, initially panda-free discussion tomorrow. Enterprise is improving.

Yes good stuff, the ending still sorta works with TNG so I’m happy.
I like how they actually hit the borg, I’ve been waiting for someone to pull those damn cords out the back of their pasty heads.
Less Panda than I like though…

Archer wasn’t a wuss, either. He did grimace about having to kill somebody, but maybe he’s improving.
Reed enjoyed beating up on someone for a change, too.

Nope. Never gonna like it. Nu uh… no way, no how. You cannot have the friggin’ Borg in the 22nd Century.

And if you think I’m overreacting now, just watch the hissy fit I pitch when Archer or T’Pol meets a Romulan face to face.

They came to Earth in the movie First Contact.

:slight_smile:

Bah! Kirk came to Earth in TOS but you don’t see us flying Constitution class starships do you?

Lily saw them and Cochrane knew about them.
The remains of the Borg sphere from FC are found in the Arctic.
Give it a chance.
:slight_smile:

Borg : Reloaded

NEEEEEVER!

Borg : Reloaded

Blame Canada, Aes.

I’m still waiting to see, not how the Borg get there, but how humanity conveniently forgets about them for 200 years. If it’s blathering technobable about “the space-time continuum” I… well, I won’t be pleased.
Hmmm. I can just see it. “Q” appears at the end of the episode, and says “I’ll need this race in a couple hundred years to scare the crap out of a tight-assed captain. I better wipe out everyone’s memory, or it just won’t be as much fun.”

“Hey, what the hell is that panda doing here?”

I don’t read a lot of science fiction, but from what I’ve seen, most stories that involve time travel incidentally treat it one of two ways - either you can change the past or you can’t. In, say, Star Trek and Back to the Future, you can change the past, which leads to certain causality violations, but that’s okay, as long as you’re not in a causality-conserving universe. The only good example I can think of off the top of my head in which you can’t change the past is Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

So what does it mean to be able to change the past? It means that any shows that aired before you went back in time show one world, and any shows that air after show the changed world. As long as you adhere to this, you’ve got consistency, and therefore, continuity.

Now, I haven’t seen this episode, but even if the Borg make themselves fully known to humans and everything you fear comes true, it’s okay, because in Star Trek, you can change the past. “Q Who?” aired before First Contact, so it shows the old, unchanged past. Only if you can find a show that aired after First Contact (i.e. the last two seasons of DS9 or the last four seasons of Voyager) that says that the Borg were not known in the 22nd century will there be a continuity violation.

Still don’t understand what I mean? Still don’t believe that you can change the past in Star Trek? Consider the following four examples: “Yesterday’s Enterprise”, “Past Tense”, “Trials and Tribble-ations”, and Star Trek: First Contact. (In First Contact I’m talking about the part near the beginning of the film before they go back in time, when they see the changed Earth.) There are probably some more good examples in Voyager, but I didn’t see the whole thing.

The easiest example to understand is probably “Trials and Tribble-ations”. “The Trouble with Tribbles” did not show DS9 crew on K-7; “Trials and Tribble-ations” did. If you don’t buy that showing two different versions of the same place in spacetime is legitimate, how do you explain that little lapse in continuity?

So…is it s good episode, a fun episode, or a bad episode?

I don’t really care about all the continuity stuff, I just really dislike the borg. After they were introducted on TNG, they were okay for about two episodes, but after that they just got totally boring and stupid.

And that whirring, clunking noise they make is damn annoying.

Okay, if you don’t like the Borg that’s fine, but did you at least like First Contact?

Just as Kirk said “Mysteries give me a belly ache” Janeway said that time travel paradoxes “give me a headache.”

A good example of how First Contact changed trek is in Voyager; 7 of 9’s parents were studying the Borg, having learned about them from the events in FC.

You obviously haven’t seen the Canadian version ot The Trouble With Tribbles
:slight_smile:

Try Time And Again by Jack Finney.