ESP an effect of LSD?

In other threads about LSD, people have mentioned that while on the drug instances of ESP were a common occurrence.

This could be “hearing” what a friend is thinking without them actually saying it, or prediciting an event that happens a few second later (the book falling on the floor… etc.) Feel free to add other examples or experiences.

Is this a documented side effect? Does it have scientific, psychological, or philosophical significance?

In my own experience I have “heard” a friend call out my name from across a field and he didn’t do it out loud. My friends that spend lots of time together experience little things like this throughout their trips.

AFAIK, ESP isn’t a documented empirically tested valid phenomenon, therefore it occuring while someone was on acid is less likely IMO.

What probably happened was that someone suggested ESP, and the LSD made you feel more “in tune” with your friends.

Odd things happen. Anecdotally, you’ll hear a lot of stories of perceived telepathy and prescience.

Of course, no studies have shown that LSD can cause ESP, because no studies have shown that ESP exists. Subjectively though, you get a lot of stuff like that.

A couple of instances which left me scratching my head:

Once, after taking some LSD with some friends in a suburb of Vancouver, I took the ALRT back home to the city proper. While I waiting for the train, I recognized a friend-of-a-friend on the platform. This was a fellow I’d only met once or twice, and he lived in another part of town. Naturally, I greet him: “Hi, Wayne!” “Excuse me?” Whoops, it’s not Wayne at all. I apologize for mistaking him for someone else. Then the train arrives, and I get on. A couple of stops later, who should get on but Wayne? “Hi, Wayne!” I say. Once again, mistaken identity. Very embarrassing. I resolve to keep my head down. I get off the train and transfer to the bus that will take me home. As I approach a seat, I notice Wayne sitting there, but play it cool and walk past him, taking a seat by the rear doors. I spend the remainder of the bus ride wondering why I keep thinking I’m seeing this Wayne guy. I’d hardly spoken to him before. While I’m still turning it over in my mind, the guy I’d passed by gets up to exit the bus. As he’s waiting for the bus to stop, he looks me in the eye and says, “Hi, Larry.”

The next day I get a call from our mutual friend who says Wayne called her, concerned that I’d snubbed him. There was no mistaking that I’d recognized him as I walked passed, and willfuly ignored him. I should clarify that Wayne was the newish boyfriend of an ex-girlfriend that is still a close friend – so she naturally thought there was some jealousy there, or something.

Anyway, that’s the only time I ever bumped into him in public — coincidentally within a very short time of thinking that I’d seen him, twice. I can see how some people might be inclined to take that sort of thing as evidence of precognition. (I don’t, as it happens.)

Another similar bit of wierdness happened around the same time. Three friends and I took some LSD and went walking in Central Park in Burnaby (paths through a nice wooded area.) We had meandering conversations typical of group tripping. During this walk, however, I was plagued by the feeling that we were being followed. I kept seeing motion just at the periphery of my vision. Common enough. I fell back a bit, and a couple of times “saw” an elf. Or a leprechaun, I suppose. Comically to type. Pointed, buckled shoes that shone, and a little coat that looked like very dry leather. Each time I stopped to look, it quickly “ran away,” and I’d give my head a shake and giggle inwardly at such a silly hallucination. After a couple of “sightings”, it appeared practically in my face. Long nose, rheumy eyes, the whole cartoon thing. “Where was Moses when the lights when out?” it asked before vanishing. No reaction from my friends, so I took it as “noise” and ignored it. (At no point did I mention the wee fella.) He appeared once more, asking the same question. Again, I ignored it.

A short time later we were back at my friends’ house, and preparing to watch a video. While my three friends talked about Philip Glass, I saw the elf again. In bright light, looking quite solid, though much smaller, which is not my usual experience of LSD hallucinations at all. He had a playful expression on his face, and he said, “Go on, ask them.” So I did. I interrupted, saying “Hey-- hey-- where was Moses when the lights went out?

There was a pause as this total non sequitur dropped like a brick. And then-- the power went out. My friend David answered “In the dark,” and we laughed like fools for about ten minutes.

There are two things that I find really odd about that situation: One, I didn’t know (or recall) the answer to the riddle, and it’s an old riddle. I guess it was sitting around in a dusty corner of my brain. I have no idea what I’d have said if David didn’t know the answer. Two, the synchronicity of the power going out about three seconds after I said “when the lights went out.”

One way of explaining stuff like this is that, under the influence of LSD, more-or-less random stuff goes through your head at an astonishing rate. You look at an object and are simultaneously aware of a huge number of associations you have for it, for example. You forget most of those impressions quite quickly – but if something external to you comes up that seems connected, you bet your ass you’ll remember that.

Synchronicities happen all the time, but usually you’re not in a frame of mind to pay much attention to them.

Whether it is ‘documented’ or not depends what you mean by that term. Anyone can write about this supposed effect, as you have done, which makes it ‘documented’ in one sense. If you mean ‘Is there any empirical scientific data supporting the ESP hypothesis, which has been published in a respected and peer-reviewed scientific journal, and which is not regarded as the work of cranks or people on the very fringes of anything worth the name science?’, then the answer is a definite and resounding NO.

It would have scientific, psychological and philosphical significance if it could be shown to be a real effect. I expect the first person to achieve this would also be a strong contender for a Nobel prize as well as lasting fame and wealth. Alas, ESP appears to be a chimera, and over a century of research all over the world has failed to produce one shred of evidence supporting the ESP hypothesis, whether LSD-induced or otherwise.

You can collect all the anecdotes you want, but the plural of anecdote is not data. Go back 150 years and you can find all the anecdotal evidence you want supporting the notion that witches fly through the night on broomsticks, and that something should be done to combat this menace. It’s all there in newspapers, journals, magazines, popular works of supposed non-fiction. None of it based on any facts or evidence whatsoever.

If I might chip in my two euros: I think the sense of knowing something, that normally occurs when you are aware you know something (for example an answer to a trivia question: you are aware that you know the answer upon being asked the question which brought your attention to the knowledge) and then subsides does not in fact subside when on LSD. The effect is one of continuously seeming to know rather than experience reality, I can’t really articulate any more about this and i’m sure its fairly open to speculation. You can see why though parallels have been drawn to mystical states.

Whether the knowing is actually real, or only an illusory effect of the drug is hard to say, but when theres a definite time-gap between knowing something and seeing it happen you are faced with explaining psychic phenomena.

In my personal, limited experience of LSD supposed telepathic behaviour was observed by our “babysitter” who had had nothing more than a few joints. He reported that our general interactions indicated that we were immersed in conversation although very few words were spoken and those that were were like snippets of something more cohesive. I remember very little about the experience myself.

It is an interesting question though: how can a change in brain chemistry possibly lead to intuited knowledge? Perhaps one to ask the local guru!

When you are in an altered state, you are not an objective observer; the incident where you thought you predicted the book falling could easily be something like:
-You half-consciously saw the book slide down a little on the shelf before it teetered and fell, but your hyperactive imagination expanded the slip into a premontion of a fall.
-You saw the book fall off the shelf, but your brain was so melted that you jumbled up the event of it falling and the event of you noticing it fall; seeming.
-You saw the book fall and your stimulated brain invented a fictional memory, wherein you pre-knew it would happen - the memory is constructed after the event, but that doesn’t matter, because it is pushed into the slot before your memory of the book falling.

Now if there was some documentary evidence of someone, under controlled conditions, observed (by a sober witness) to shout "the book, it’s about to fall!’, before the event, then we’d have something to work with; as it is, all we have is you doing strange things to your brain and acting surprised when you get strange results.

ESP an effect of LSD?

When I saw the subject I thought it was about Limited Slip Differentials and Electronic Stability Programs :rolleyes:

Not the past influence of the peseta on British currency? :stuck_out_tongue: