Is it just me, or did Bertal basically just admit to owning about 18GB of child porn?
It’s a little hard to follow but I don’t think so. He said his interest was nude pictures of attractive Asian women.
I think he was just comparing his former compulsion to collect mainstream porn with the compulsion pedophiles feel to collect child porn. Sort of the way a person might talk about heroin addicts by saying something like “I’m an alcoholic so I understand how an addiction feels.”
He didn’t call it porn though. He called them “nude art images” (which is a kind of justification for having underage pornography) and kind of danced around the issue that his doll probably looks underage.
Seems fishy to me!
Just chimed in to say that a client of mine was just sentenced to 111 years for possession, manufacturing, and distributing CP. it was a tough trial.
A “client” of yours? Mind divulging the nature of your relationship with this person? Were you his defense attorney?
How well did you know them? Did this come as a shock to you or did you think to yourself when you found out, “yup seems about right. had what was coming to him/her!”
If you were his counsel, mind talking about how you made your case?
Smells fishy too!
I was going to say that 111 years is ridiculous when child rapists don’t get that kind of sentence.
Then I did some google news search and found the guy.
He was in fact a rapist and we’re not talking a willing 17 year old either.
But even so, most of the sentence comes from the child porn and not the rape. That’s ridiculous.
The distinction he seemed to be making was between nude pictures and hardcore porn. He seemed to collect the kind of pictures you’d see in Playboy - nude women but no depictions of sex acts.
It wasn’t rape, but aggravated sexual battery. Basically touching the privates. It’s aggravated because of the victim’s age.
I was the defense attorney. Tried to get him to cop a plea, which would have brought him about a 15 year sentence. No dice. So the jury lit him up. The max would have been 215 years…
I can’t talk much about it, as the case isn’t over. But it really tested my mettle as a defense attorney.
What do you mean by “touching”?
I mean, I get you’re a defence attorney. But there’s touching, and there’s touching.
If there is what a normal person would call touching (i.e. literally touching, a barely perceptible press which in this case would not mean any internal exploration) then that is a grossly disproportionate sentence. I think I’m already on record as saying that no one should have a prison sentence of more than aruond 12 years. But I have to work within the US system which is always giving people 40 year sentences for stuff, as well as literally killing people.
If you mean touching in a more horrific way, and tbh I kind of think you do, then I suppose the totality of the sentence is proportionate in the sense that it kinda works with all your other stupid sentences. But I just can’t get why the majority of the sentence is to do with porn and not with the actual sexual stuff.
By the way do the ex post facto bits of the US constitution stop courts/governments from lowering sentences after trial? It seems to me the US is well on the way to locking up at least 10 or 20% of its young men, during a time period when it has an aging population that needs super expensive care. It seems to be what people want, especially the elderly, so although I do feel sorry for all of you it is harder than it ought to be cause, y’know, don’t mess with Texas.
Wow a quick google show those dolls cost $8000 (US), that’s a lot of real hooker money.
That makes 13 slightly on topic or totally off topic posts within 24 hours after mine.
I think it’s partially a message board problem and partially my own fault. A message board problem is that unsupported statements are allowed (this thread has enough of them) while an attempt to support one’s statement is considered an invitation to get off topic. My own fault is that I didn’t read my post with the eyes of a hound before I clicked the Submit button. I have learned, thanks all.
It was Metart. I didn’t want to call the name because their promotion is not my business.
It makes me think of Joe McCarthy. He said he cleaned society and disorganised it actually.
Concerning solutions I mostly hear the option of legalising pornographic drawings. I think this is no solution, because child porn is the problem itself. My solution would be child dolls. If anybody knows a better solution, please tell.
Apart from the risks of prostitution: what if you just don’t want that?
The money isn’t a big issue for those who possibly need adult looking sex dolls. If you cannot afford one, try something else. It will be an issue if underage looking dolls will be used in the fight against child porn. Try something else is not an option. They should be more affordable and I’m convinced they can be.
I think the analogy you’re looking for is ivory.
We outlaw ivory trafficking even though the crime (poaching) is already done.
But unless ivory is outlawed, it provides the incentive for poaching.
Honestly, I don’t see this as a solution. Some people are going to feel that a real doll meets their needs. Some people are going to find porn meets their needs. And some people are only going to get off with a real person.
And I think that applies to pedophiles as well. Some of them might be satisfied with an “underage” sex doll. But others would still desire child porn or real children.
I don’t think anyone would disagree with that analogy. The production of genuine ivory is a result of killing elephants.
But the issue here would be the equivalent of imitation ivory made from plastic. Some people would argue that there’s nothing wrong with this “ivory” because no elephants are involved in its production. Other people would argue that this imitation ivory still supports the desire for ivory and that encourages the production of real ivory.
Please consider quoting my appreciation of being on topic.
What is the difference between an ivory-imitating-plastic earring and an ivory-imitating-plastic piano key?
The owner of the earring prefers ivory, because plastic doesn’t have any status at all.
The owner of the piano prefers plastic because he doesn’t want elephants to be killed, and the status of the keys doesn’t matter for the music.
If a paedophile does his thing in God only knows what way, status wouldn’t matter at all, because he wouldn’t tell in public. Between the walls of a private room, it only matters if it works.
Being a doll owner, I know that a doll works. I don’t know why. The part of my body that thinks, knowns that I am tricked. The part of my body that doesn’t think, is satisfied.