Eutychus

This is EXACTLY what Persephone said:

People pile onto CK Dex for decrying this situation?? What the fuck? The fact that she’s intimately connected to a Moderator doesn’t give her a pass here. You don’t like that? That’s the reality of the situation. If it was an O.P.'er with 201 posts and her real-life Significant Other who was a freshly registered Doper with 48 post, this entire thing would not have come down this way. Ahem. The O.P. could have read identically…but this event is filtered through Priveledge. She gets Priveledge because she’s connected to Euty, and he has been dealt a blow because of his position in the Administration of the SDMB. -shrug- You wanna stand up on the pedastal, you gotta have really fine balance. You get unbalanced, you fall off, you get your chops together again and see if they’ll let you back up. Pretty simple.

The fact that she chose to go out of state, and leave her kids behind in a situation that by her own words and admissions ( see quote above ) was " Far too badly kept for children to live in " is a plain fact.

She wrote it, we read it. It is in her O.P. CK Dex was entirely appropriate in voicing concerns. I’m a State Mandated Reporter. New York State is not the only state that makes use of such people. If I witness a situation that I deem to be one of abuse, neglect or immediate danger ( be it physical, emotional or otherwise ) I am legally bound to call the police. RIGHT THEN AND THERE. I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass WHO the person was and yeah, that mean’s I’d be a sneaky little rat and dime out my homies. Oh, boo hoo. It is beyond appalling that anyone would dare attack a member here, who shows shock and dismay at the unfolding of that original thread.

I’d have made that call, and slept well that night knowing I’d done the right thing. Read that O.P. Read it two or three times, read the tone and the words. Really get into it, as I just did before writing this.

Everyone here gets to have their two cents, and mine are that attacking CK Dex is so far beyond hypocrisy as to range well into the area of Freudian Transferral. You are the wrong-doer, and so of course, you point the finger angrily at the person accusing you. It shows weakness of character- not strength, to attack someone who approves of doing the right thing in the protection and defense of children. Period.

It’s all very lovely that some Dopers sprang to the aid of Persephone and went and cleaned her house a few times. That was generous beyond measure, and I’ve no doubt but that her children will feel better and happier in a cleaner environment. Go back in 180 days, and see how the house looks then. The pattern of inappropriate amounts of parental guidance and housekeeping that led to the initial call ( which, as we all know by now, Persephone HERSELF felt was entirely justified ) is a pattern that is not fixed by a few friends rushing in to try to patch up things so she can get her kids back into that house.

Then again, as was announced within the last month or two by Euty. he and Persephone are to be wed at some point in the future and publicly proclaimed here their committment to one another. Perhaps the kids will wind up with one or the other parent who is more capable of maintaining a living environment that is at least minimally adequate and safe, healthy and clean for the habitation of minors.

By the way, I do agree with imthjckaz, Bookwoods played fast and loose with the O.P. Whether Persephone FELT angry at the interruption of a high ole time party weekend or not is only hers to know in reality, but her O.P. didn’t display that tone in any manner. Read it again.

Cartooniverse

Cartooniverse:

You’re in the wrong thread. Did you mean to post that to the thread(s) that dealt with that situation?

Oops, you can’t. They’re closed.

In case you missed it, this thread is about Euty being fired (oops, put on hiatus). What you’re referring to is relevant only tangentially. If you want to reopen the whole discussion again, maybe you could just open a new thread. And watch it be closed.

I’m not in the wrong thread. I addressed issues raised in this thread, and this is an open and active thread.

I did not mean to post to closed threads. With 3,000 + posts, I know enough to compose a posting like that, only to attempt to insert it into a closed thread.

I knew what I was writing, and where I was posting it.

It’s not really tangential. It’s like a comment on Chapter 1, when many are fixated on Chapter 4. Chapter 1 was the foundation for Chapter 4 and so must be relevant. I felt my thoughts to be relevant, and so shared them. Uh, that’s kind of how the SDMB works…right?

:slight_smile:

Makes sense to me. All we really can do is hope Euty can help Pers out of her hole, that they become a better family for it, and that they both come back to the board with a healthy and happy family.

Cartooniverse,

Yeah, I suppose.

I’m not having a good day here, and it’s not your fault. Sorry about that last post. You’re okay.

Here’s the thing: Although what happened in Chapt. 1 has some influence over what happened in Chapt. 4, Chapt. 1 was hashed and rehased, with a lot of people getting pretty wound up in it, pretty upset, and pretty goldang hurt.

I’m not saying anything was resolved as a result of Chapt. 1, but it might not be as important to Chapt. 4 as you think, in the grand scheme of things.

As has been stated by many more eloquent than I, what’s done is done. What happened with Persephone in real (face to face) life is done. We cannot change this, although we can debate it for all eternity.

What concerns me more than that at this moment is that we’ve lost perhaps the best moderator here. He’s certainly the best I’ve ever seen, anywhere. I’ll miss him terribly.

You may, of course, agree or disagree with what Persephone did (or did not do, for that matter). But my thinking is that even if what she did was so heinous, does it warrant Euty’s not being here anymore?

We will likely never know the entire story on either front. But if Euty took a stand on something in which he strongly believed, then by God he’s got all the respect in the world from me.

Cartoon, must you? Really. Give it a rest. This particular thread really isn’t the place to hash this out yet again.

Esprix

Please don’t misconstrue Ed this way. He said “hiatus”, and it’s reasonable to conclude therefore that he meant “hiatus”. I’m sure that if he had meant “fired”, he would have said so. Yes, he’s trying to handle the whole situation delicately, but I have to believe that he’s also handling it honestly.

There is also the possibility that Euty was still upset about not getting promoted within the SDMB. It could be a range of issues. In any case, Euty, we’ll miss you, and as time goes on, I hope you come back to fight ignorance again.

I’m not implying that he’s handling it dishonestly. The truth is, “hiatus” is often - but not always - a euphemism.

I’m not so sure he would have said “fired” even if that was what he meant, though. I mean, really! Can you imagine the outcry then? (Not to suggest, again, that an outcry either way would be any deciding factor, but I’d have to think that avoiding a negative outcry would be the plan.)

It’s as well really. Ever since he started dating Yoko, his heart hasn’t been in the Message Boards. I remember when the music was all that mattered.

Take the condescension and rudeness to the Pit if you have to.

I stand by every word I said. I addressed ideas and thoughts discussed in this thread, and articulated my response without vitriol or abuse. In short, I have abided by the rules of the road.

Unlike some people, who apparently missed the Memo on " Not Being A Jerk "

:rolleyes:

Since this is still the most civil thread on the matter, I’ll try to stay that way.

dantheman. IMHO, you are doing your best to inflame things here. Most posts in this thread have been either to say “best wishes” to Euty or are very concilliatory. We need more concilliatory.

Having said this, and before I get it into my head to post something for which I will be sorry, please meet me in the PIT

Very short version:

Persephone, who is Euty’s SO, posted something about her personal life in MPSIMS. Dex, who is an Administrator, bagged on her about it in the thread and then started a Pit thread. A bunch of people, Euty included, took serious exception to Dex’s comments. Many wanted Dex to be demoted. As mentioned in the OP, there was a lot of friction over this issue between Euty and the rest of the staff over this so it was decided by the Administration that it would be better if Euty weren’t a staff member anymore.

Any more clear?

Haj

This dead horse has been beaten in to jelly. And I really don’t think it belongs in this thread.

Eutychus, doubtless you have no clue who I am, but I always thought you were a great moderator and an intelligent, entertaining poster.

I hope to see you around here again soon.

Best wishes.

If anybody who cares is still reading this thread:

Euty, I will miss you. You don’t know me, but you have been my favorite moderator since I started lurking. But hell, what does that matter because if you feel like hanging around here again, you can be my favorite poster.

Best of luck.

Apparently things don’t work they way they used to here.

I apologize to **Esprix, Euty ** and of course Persephone for anything I stated, insinuated, quoted or misquoted.

Obviously, this was not the proper thread to post such thoughts and feelings into, and for that I am most sorry.

Perhaps a thread might be started in the Pit that directly addresses the issues that were raised here, and would not be as upsetting to those who wished this thread to maintain it’s original tone.

Cartooniverse

Toonsie, you know I love you. The fact that I owe you a letter for about 15 months now is not, I hope, evidence to the contrary. I’m a putz.

I think your outrage is warranted; it mirrors how many of us felt. But I can’t believe you implied it would better if the kids would be with Persephone’s spouse rather than with her. Do you know who the kids were with on that weekend? Do you know who works a 40-hour week, and who stays home with the kids? Persephone will never trash her current spouse on here, but I don’t mind outing him as the one who stays home to take care of the house and kids while Persephone works. That doesn’t make her blameless for any housekeeping (and Persephone admits as much, and it’s probably why she’s never clarified this), but it does make what you said more than just a slap in the face: it’s laughably wrong.

This is perhaps yet one more example of how wrong we can get things when we only know part of the story. Alas, there was much room for conjecture in this situation, and with few exceptions everyone who formed an opinion had to do so while making assumptions. No one’s at fault for having to guess. But that doesn’t change the fact that we don’t always get things right when we’re filling in the blanks.

Persephone, forgive me for writing the above; I mean no disrespect to your husband and I certainly recognize what he does right. Your kids are so well-behaved, my son could learn a thing or two.

Not to go on a tangent here, but I didn’t mean to sound like the SDMB being “just a computer message board” is a bad thing. I like it for what it is - a place to get questions answered, to discuss issues large and small, from cooking and movies to biology, anatomy, politics and house repairs. Oh, and the Straight Dope column. I “like” some members’ posts and I don’t like others. I have no idea what you people are like in real life and I’m okay with that. I know you’re not HAL 9000s, but I like interacting with message board members as equals - as people I know in this context only.

People obviously use this board for other things too, like flirting, dating, socializing, getting affirmation and ((online hugs)) from others, etc., not to imply that there’s anything essentially wrong with that. That’s just not what I expected this particular message board to be about and, as others have said, it just does sometimes feel like being back in high school, dealing with cliques, “popular” kids, etc. again.

To reiterate: it’s okay for members to flame each other’s posts, but only if they avoid certain popular members or ones they have met in real life? CKDex shouldn’t respond negatively to the content of Persephone’s post because he’s friends with Eutychus and Persephone is Eutychus’ girlfriend?? That’s absurd, I think. Besides, it kind of puts some of us at a disadvantage; those of us who haven’t met any of you or know who is okay to disagree with and who is off-limits, etc.

Which brings me back to my basic question: why is it SO not okay to make “assumptions” or fill in the blanks based on Persephone’s description of her own situation but apparently it is quite acceptable to assume we have enough information to draw conclusions, make accusations, fill in the blanks, etc. about Eutychus’ hiatus? Did any of you talk to the powers that be and get all the information about this, or are you relying on information from the supposed “victims,” here? I doubt they are presenting the whole picture.

This is gross and I’m really sorry I’ve contributed to it. I feel like I do when I read the National Enquirer; ashamed and unclean. Most of what everyone has done here is basic human nature and I’m sorry if I’ve offended or judged anyone unfairly. I need to follow my own advice (and dan’s, I guess) and just read and post to the threads with topics more to my liking.

Can’t you take this to another thread? PLEASE?

Esprix

Just have to say it. You ASSUME this is the whole story. There might be MORE to it. I have no idea if there is. I’m just saying that there is bound to be.

The OP here did not give enough details to know what the whole story was about Eutychus’ hiatus, or even if it Eutychus wanted it.

This is relevant to this thread, Esprix, though I do appreciate your pointing me to the Pit thread.