I understand the statements; what you fail to understand is that the thread was turning amicable and you had to come in starting trouble. If you want to debate the definition of atheism, start your own thread, don’t hijack this one.
Contrary to what you might think, just because you plop your ass down somewhere doesn’t mean you’re the new owner. Look out your window. See all those bipedal creatures? Those are “other people”. I responded to a statement made by someone who isn’t you. Now that you’ve let out your big fart, why don’t you just move along?
And FTR, nonexistence of belief in X (~B(x) and belief in the nonexistence of X (B(~x) are only different in terms, not in substance. To a layman, “I don’t believe in Jesus’s existence” and “I believe Jesus does not exist” are identical in meaning. Sure, there’s a difference in the statements’ denotation, but this is not a formal logic debating society, so keep your angels’-dancing-on-the heads-ofpins arguments to yourself, or at least in a more appropriate forum.
And you may want to consider who you condescend to next time. You’re not nearly as intelligent as you think you are.
Submoronic. You’re like those guys in math class who didn’t understand the difference between subtraction and negation.
Whom.
Oh, and one more thing–until you can restrain yourself from snapping off strings of obscenities at the slightest provocation, you might also wish to shut up with the Jesus talk. You set a spectacularly bad example of Christian behavior, and your incessant claims to spiritual superiority ring false, like sounding brass or tinkling cymbals. Before you spout off more about God and sneer at those who don’t swallow your use of logical notation as a bludgeon, I urge you to meditate on Matthew 7:2-5.
And I’m right. The terms are different but theree’s no real difference in between them in the common understanding of your average speaker. You don’t seem to understand that pedantry isn’t wisdom, and your insufferable egoism is not of Jesus.
You miss the point. “Whom” is correct (“to whom” is better), but nobody says it anymore. It’s a dying bit of English that has outlived its purpose. Again, you think pedantry shows intelligence, when it portrays quite the reverse.
Frankly, I consider the man who presumes his presence is required in a discussion that does not concern him to be egoistic.
So says the man who berates me with picayune and moralistic speeches about pedantry.
Dude, it’s the holidays. Drop the 'tude and get happy.
That’s like slapping a man and telling him to stop blushing. When you take the 'tude away, it will be gone.
Religious witnessing is not nice. It’s judgmental, arrogant, hateful and evil. Fuck all proselytizers.
I think you may have just called 99% of the English speaking world “submoronic,” since I doubt there are any but the very, very few who have studied formal logic who understand the difference between “I don’t believe in Jesus’s existence” and “I believe Jesus does not exist.” And I have to admit, I’m not one of them. From a language point of view, the two statements are functionally identical.
Essentially, Lib’s li’l formal logic operators indicate the difference between weak atheism (I don’t believe in X deity, that is it’s not proven to me so I don’t believe) and strong atheism (I believe that no deity does or can exist). That Lib thinks this is significant to anyone but himself is telling. He has long since lost the ability to talk to people where they are and communicate with people meaningfully.
It doesn’t sound like a greeting. It sounds like a hail Mary last effort to recruit the one godless heathen they haven’t been able to convert! Kee-rist! It’s heavier than a Sunday sermon! No greeting. It’s a soapbox opportunity. Ick.
Ditto here. While mathematically I understand the difference between the two statements,language is NOT math. While I know the negative of a negative is a positive, I also know that “I ain’t got no money” is NOT trying to say “I have money.”
While logicians may have fun playing their semantic games, no sane user of the English language makes a functional distinction between “I don’t believe that X exists” and “I believe that X does not exist.” Repeat: language is not math, and does not follow formal rules of logic.
Why do you want to take a crutch from a lame man?
