How many Dems did it take to pull off this steal? It’s odd that not one of them (afaik) has written a tell all, or gone on tv, or switched parties and spilled guts. They can’t all be moral dynamos.
This is the magic of the mighty D party. They’re utterly disorganized, yet ruthlessly on-message. They’re utterly hopeless losers, yet their agenda is the one that’s always winning and threatening the poor innocent good patriotic Rs. All of their operatives are total bumblers, yet have perfect OpSec.
Look upon our works oh hapless Rs and despair!
With due apologies to Shelley. ![]()
Biden is senile, doesn’t know where he is, shaking hands with people that aren’t there, but also a fiendish genius who orchestrated numerous plots to steal the election.
To be fair, the left also said basically this about Dubya (with the caveat that some credit was given to Cheney as ultimate puppet master).
It’s also suggested that to the degree the trump administration accomplished any goals, they were done by henchmen and various eminence gris who simply persuaded, or more like incentivized, trump to go along. The child-King and Regent model so to speak.
That is what courts are for. Bring your evidence to court to challenge the election.
If only someone in the GOP and Team Trump had taken that approach, brought all the evidence of fraud to the courts, the fraudulent election results would have been overturned, and there would have not been any need for Team Trump to say “screw this”.
Oh, wait…
Yes, of course. I was interpreting the hypothetical as a kind of “last chance, only option” scenario. Perhaps incorrectly.
IOW, a “good guy” candidate who had irrefutable evidence that was ignored or rebuffed by the courts, by everyone. That’s certainly not Trump, but in the hypothetical, turns out he was right all along!
That’s what triggered my response—the rule of law is not a suicide pact, and all that. In such a (completely) hypothetical circumstance, with fewer sleazy, Trumpian details, might I react with, “Yeah, laws were broken. So what?” Maybe.
But if the courts rule that there were no breaches of the law? Do you, self-proclaimed good guy, then get to ignore the courts?
This of course is the problem in dystopian societies where the courts are as utterly corrupt as the rest of government and big business. In some parts of the world is some eras, society offers no purchase for “good guys”.
Of course every society offers purchase for self-appointed “good guys” who are actually anything but. As well as the avowed “bad guys” who at least have the intellectual honesty to recognize their intentions are simply malign.
The hard part is knowing, really knowing, which society type you’re embedded in. Propaganda-besotted nihilist fools are real bad at getting that right. SovCits too. But I repeat myself.
ETA: This is in response to @Northern_Piper
I think there are situations where complying with the rule of law is not the ethical governing principle. Exceedingly rare situations, since this is a legitimate slippery slope, one that opens the door for all kinds of abuse.
And I get the impression you think I’ve staked out some strong, universal moral position, as opposed to just quickly responding to a thought experiment. But to answer you directly, yeah, I might see stealing an election (let me state emphatically, I do not believe that’s what happened!) as something that warrants unlawful actions from the aggrieved “loser” if the courts and other institutions dropped the ball, either corruptly or inadvertently. Might at a minimum lead me to support a commutation of prison sentences.
I think where my reaction jumps the rails in people’s minds is that the courts (in real life, not in hypothetical-world) clearly did their duty and evaluated the “evidence” appropriately, and Team Trump’s extra-legal shenanigans were hella-sleazy. But in the alternate universe I created in my mind, a good guy could break the law for a righteous cause, and I might react sympathetically when it turned out he was right all along.
There are so many disconnects between what actually occurred and the overly simple scenario I mentally created that I can understand your reaction.