Weren’t those menacing WMDs weaponized RPGs?
Some nasty range those things have, 100, maybe 200 yards.
I’ve got a question… Are they 100% sure this is actually Sadam? Doesn’t he have doubles that look just like him?
My first thought was that Nick Nolte was being arrested again.
Let’s not forget to add him to the mugshot of the year contest.
Boy that would be nasty if it was a double. I wonder how they would spin that motzaball.
It is a desolate mountain area. However, we effete children of the fin de millennie West tend to underestimate the number of people unsophisticated enough to live in areas where properly chilled bottled mineral water is not available.
In the spirit of multilateralism and international, I’ll agree to denounce Bush’s pre-occupation with Iraq and Hussein if you agree to denounce Patten talking about casualties as if they were the moral equivalents of the fireboming of Dresden. Deal?
Yeah, you’re one of the stranger bedfellows I’ve ever had, either (nudge, wink). But as long as we respect facts first, that’s going to happen sometime. Thanks.
The euphoria over this will dissipate pretty quickly if it isn’t accompanied by a near-disappearance of attacks on our people there. There have been a few just in the last day, though.
Oh, all right. Ya take a little poetic license, and see where it gets ya.
Point still stands: the possibility of large numbers of civilian casualties wasn’t a deterrant in Iraq - so I don’t see how it could be a valid reason not to go after OBL, if they know where he is. Mind you, I don’t want to see any civilians dying if at all possible, but we all know that’s utopia right there. And if innocent blood is going to be spilled, then I’d prefer it to be in the process of capturing and/or killing the man who masterminded the 9/11 attacks, rather than in the process of shoving aside an inept army to secure some oil supplies. Yes, I’m glad Saddam is dethroned, and I’m even more elated that he’s now been caught. But in my opinion that would have happened without a US invasion as well, albeit later.
If I were an American citizen and taxpayer, I’d place a hell of a lot more priority on the head of OBL than on “Iraqi Freedom”. Selfish, perhaps, but it actually surprises me that US public opinion isn’t more like that at present.
<sigh>
Because a lot of the American public consists of flag waving idiots who will blindly consume anything put in front of them.
Still. What will get the partiots’ blood boiling quicker: some bullshit about Saddam being a huge threat, or the actual devastation of 9/11? I can’t believe how soon people aparently forget, you know?
Case in point:
Well as someone who watched people jump out of the building from my office 3 blocks away, I sure as hell won’t forget.
I have no explanation as to the thought process of some of these people.
Uzi:
Suppose I woke up and found someone like Saddam was in charge and, shortly after, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics invaded to spread their idea of freedom and equality and, incidentally, help themselves to our vast natural resources?
I tell you what: I might, just might, prefer Saddam, asshole tyrant dictator murderer that he is. At least he would be our asshole tyrant dictator murderer and not some outlander foreign occupier who damn well for sure didn’t come over here to “set us free from our oppressor”, no matter what their rhetoric, but very obviously and very transparently came over here to exploit our resources for their benefit.
I thought maybe I’d have more “perspective” on all this by now, but hearing stupid “we got Saddam, go us, we’re the greatest” chants on the radio has done nothing to dilute my sense that this is not even necessarly a good thing, overall net. And definitely, positively, not reason to announce that “everything’s cool”. Everything is not cool. Not by a long fucking shot.
That’s what I mean… I watched it on TV, from a continent far away, I’m not an American, and it still enrages me to this day whenever I see those horrific images. Why the hell are so many Americans swallowing this complete load of bollocks about Iraq being a threat, while letting the same government off the hook about chasing the mastermind behind the tragedy in NYC?
I’m not cynical enough to accept that the Administration’s spin is that effective.
A lot of us think he’s dead, Coldfire. It’s not like anyone has forgotten. Me, I never put much stock in the idea that the 9/11 attacks were conceived and designed solely from some cave in Tora Bora by ragtag militants. (I also think he’s a corpse by now.)There were other more sophisticated hands at work here - al-Zawahiri - and lots of money changing hands…I never understood the insistence from people of other countries, get Bin Laden! Bin Laden! Without networks and venues of support, what is Bin Laden, really. Have you taken a good look at him? :dubious: He was overjoyed and taken by surprise at his own “success”, it seemed.
Would be very nice to see him in our jails, but he’s not worthy of this personification-of-evil stature imo.
But isn’t that instability what you want?
Look at what you said only last night…
So on the one hand you say it’s better to have Saddam on the lose because it keeps things unstable and makes Bushco look bad. But on the other, you say the unstableness of the area is reason enough that Bushco and his cronies can’t do anything right.
Nice little catch-22 you set up there.
And just out of curiosity, what did you mean by this…
Did you mean “us” as in, us and them? Or did you mean “us” as in the United States?
Because for a depressingly large portion of the population, the latter hasn’t been forgotten, it’s been equated with the former.
That, and Early Out’s example.
Without Bin Laden to fund and establish networks, what good
are they?
Sadly Coldie, I have had discussions (arguments) with people until I was blue in the face, and they still believed SH was behind 9/11
I can only conclude that my country is full of morons, it’s the only explanation.
He wasn’t actually found in Tikrit. He was found in Ad Dwar on the Tigris almost 10 miles from Tikrit. And he was underground to boot. The 4th Infantry Division was searching an area about the size of Mississippi, roughly 46,250 square miles. Eventually, the army converged and surrounded an area about 1.5 square miles. Considering the sheer geographic size of Iraq, the forces working against them, and the mobility of Saddam, I think they did a pretty good job.
Don’t forget the tip from a family member.
Well, I still have a hard time getting it. I visit the US quite often, and it does indeed have its share of morons. But not moreso than, say, my country. Or the UK. Or France. I’d say moronism is just a percentage of the population, no matter where you are. Americans have the reputations for being uneducated egocentric bastards, but I’d have to say that reputation applies to a small group of exceptions, and it’s certainly not the rule in my experience.
I won’t even fall for the temptation to shout that all the morons voted for Bush, because that’s simply not true.
What is it? Are people afraid of criticising the administration in times of war (or semi-war, since a declaration of war was never even issued)? Are even experienced politicians afraid to be branded “unpatriotic”, or somesuch Brutusesque moniker? The Democrats should have been all over this - yet, while I do see a lot of press on the Democrats pointing and laughing at the fact that GWB hasn’t produced the WMD’s yet, I don’t see them banging their fists on their desks demanding why the armed forces aren’t being deployed to locate and capture the man who slapped NYC, the US, and the Free World in the face.
Why? Forget the common man - why don’t politicians pick up this gauntlet?
Or am I reading the wrong sources?