evidence for god? some one said so.

Science has a better explaination for pretty much anything you care to name. Belief, on the other hand, is no closer to finding god than when it started. In fact one can argue that he’s only become smaller and harder to find.

Let’s try to help you to think scientifically. If God is responsible for creativity, how would we expect creativity to be distributed? Believers versus non-believers? Randomly versus running in families? And how would creativity be expressed? Would you expect to see creative porn as well as creative Masses?

Thanks but no thanks for your “help”

Even your grand pooh-bah Christopher Hitchens admitted that there was something about the creative process he couldn’t explain. In his own words: “the sense that there is something beyond the material, or if not beyond it, not entirely consistent with it, is, I think, a very important matter of what you could call the numinist, or the transcendent or at its best, I suppose, the ecstatic.

So to try to “help” by measuring creativity solely by scientific data does nothing to explain the essence of what Hitchens was suggesting.

No thank you-that’s not what this thread is about. Do you have any evidence tying creativity to your god?

Yep. Your leader thinks there’s divinity in the creative process. On that I agree with him.

I’d just like to say that this is among the lamest arguments for the existence of God that I’ve heard.

We are animals. And we can think. Everything being on a continuum, some thinkers are going to be much better than others at particular aspects of intelligence. What you’re labeling as creativity are just natural human traits taken to extremes by training and random variation.

Also, if creativity needs a source, where did God’s creativity come from?

Unlike many of religions’ mythical characters, ours are often flawed and we are not required to rationalize their faults of reason. We also try not to put them up on quite so high a pedestal. Much easier to tear them down later.

FWIW, Hitchens was also a prolific drinker. :smiley:

Certainly not from your Big Bang Theory.

Oh now you’re negating Hitchens. Sweet.

I can’t explain why you think this is persuasive. But you clearly do.

You can’t explain to me what my office looks like. So what? Not knowing an explanation doesn’t mean the first hunk of religious gibberish someone comes up with is the correct answer. Religious people used to think the sky was a hard dome with water behind it. That’s what happens when you just decide that religious horseshit has all the answers.

  1. I don’t have a “leader”
  2. Mr. Hitchens never said that.
  3. Even if he DID say that, you agreeing with someone elses’ statement is not evidence of anything.

Did you bother to read the OP?

I didn’t come up with the big bang theory.

I will note that when shown to be utterly wrong, you have changed the subject instead of accepting that your beliefs are rubbish.

Typical, that.

One thing that is a proven fact: there is’ NOTHING’ ever written, said or taught that wasn’t the work or idea of some human. Our beliefs are based on a human no God!

Not at all. Just trying to prevent you from building a strawman.

Hitchens was a fine thinker. But he clearly could be wrong. He supported the Iraq War.

That said, you are trying to find a neeneer neeneer where there are none. Not knowing where something comes from is an honest answer. Asserting a childish invisible friend as the cause for something isn’t productive.

And Rationalists used to think the world was flat.

Andiethewestie, which of the thousand gods are you referring to? What sect do you follow?

He did, but it doesn’t mean what Andiethewestie thinks it means. Hitchens was an atheist.

See post 654. We atheists don’t have a leader and I’ve disagreed with a ton of stuff other atheists have said, including Hitchens. So what?

Cite?

Hitchens was just a man. He wasn’t a good philosopher. He was great at rhetoric.

You act as though atheist’s should treat him like Jesus - ie, infallible.

How…odd…