I might have missed 'em - has the speed of light changed yet? Thermodynamics been mentioned? Human footprints and dinosaur tracks together?
Someone wake me up for the speed of light changing, that’s my favorite.
I’m waiting for him to ask how man came from chimps. It can’t be much longer, can it?
Is NOT. I don’t understand why you insist on ignoring the FAIRY SUBCONTRACTORS. According to the archives, 6.023*10^23 winged fairies were put at Noah’s disposal to handle the care & feeding of the animals, as well as waste removal. (Cooking was left up to the the wives.) Not only was it possible, but it was easy; for Noah and the boys, the Deluge was a year-long vacation.
Um, excuse me? Have you never heard of the transporter? 
Nanites.
Did I not mention the mole of fairies?
Isn’t the latest suggestion that chimps are descended from humans? That sounds more likely to me: chimps are the end products of evolution, and we are just the missing link (or intermediate form).
I assume you’re kidding, but I’ll comment anywhistle. Neither chimps nor humans are the end product of evolution, because evolution has no end product; it is not telelogical. We are neither higher or lower on the ladder than any other extant species.
I agree that humanity still has the same number of genes that it always has…since the Creation. However, I disagree with the supposedly introduced changes into the gene pool. That has never been demonstrated scientifically, and they never worry about it in the genetic engineering or breeding fields–why? Because it doesn’t happen.
All the anomalies in the gene pool can be explained by either sub/dom genes or mutations. However, while some people try to explain evolution by pointing to mutuations, I should emphasive that mutations have never been shown to be beneficial to the gene pool, or even “adding” anything to the gene pool. Rather, mutations are simply odd combinations of genes passed on from the parents.
All we know of human genes does not stand contrary to the Biblical account of Creation.
Sorry to baclktrack a bit, but I would just like to point out that to argue hydrologic sorting to be responsible for the highh degree of ordering observed in the fossil record is fundamentally incompatible with watchmaker arguments to the effect that order cannot arise spontaneously out of chaos. Nobody has mentioned the watchmaker arguments in this thread yet (and indeed, they would be off-topic), but I just thought I’d mention it - you can’t have it both ways.
Well – half-kidding. I read recently about some evidence that after hominids had split between the Pan genus and the Homo genus, there was still some inter-generic interbreeding, so that we have chimps up in our family tree, and chimps have humans up somewhere in their family trees. But these labels and distinctions are all pretty arbitrary, including dividing closely related animals between two genera.
And yes, the smallest bacterium in my gut is just as much the end product of evolution as I am – well more, in fact, because I have had children, so those children must be closer to the end than I am.
Oooh! ooh! Did you see that? - A falsifiable assertion!
You don’t see many of those in creationist’s arguments.
Ok, if the entire human gene pool consists of nothing more than various recombinations of the genes of a single breeding pair of ancestors (A&E), then it should not be possible to ever find more than four possible viable alleles for any given locus in the genome. Is that what we find? I don’t even have to bother looking to know it won’t be.
Ahem. There is no end for them to be closer to, in the sense of evolution having some goal that it is aiming for or that could be predicted ahead of time. This is not Star Trek: Voyager.
Which is unfortunate, because Torres was hot. I could tolerate living in a intelligent design universe if it included her.
Actually, I love this concept. Can you imagine how big a sperm would be that could hold all this genetic information? It would be practically able to walk itself!
That must be how Adam and Eve had sex - Adam ejaculated on one side of the garden, and the sperm walked over and impregnated Eve on the other side! (Just like fish etc.) Sex by remote control - what a concept!
Once again, you know nothing. Genes grow out of control, like Huntington’s. Cancer cells evolve whole new genes, even chromosomes. Genes and chromosomes are duplicated, and the duplicate evolves in a new direction.
Many groups have mutant versions of normal genes that provide resistance to diseases.
Given that it’s sponge-brained nonsense, the only parts of science that don’t stand contrary to your bronze age fairy tale are the parts that say nothing at all on the subject.
My favorite, a Noah’s Ark thread. I posted a lot of this stuff a long time ago, but I can’t seem to find the thread. Anyway: the Ark is an impossibility, for a lot of reasons. For example: just to start Noah and his boys would have to find, cut, saw into lumber, and carefully sticker and dry about THIRTY THOUSAND TONS of “gopher wood”, which nobody knows what it was.
Among other things they would have needed a keel, preferably of teak but maybe oak, three hundred feet long by five or six feet square, along with several hundred grown ribs, each with the proper curve, at least 36" x 36" x fifty feet long. Then they would have had to work 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for over two thousand years to put in the fifty million manhours they needed (unless of course the same fairies that Skald the R mentions showed up to help). And then it would have sunk as soon as it got wet. (If anyone cares, I can repeat the calculations I made in that long ago thread, unless someone else can find it.)
An aside: Interest said
He’s parroting an argument made by John Morris of the ICRS in a debate that’s somewhere on the TOA site, which always annoyed me that his opponent didn’t catch. LAYERS ARE NOT VARVES (excuse the shouting) unless they show the typical summer/winter layers, repeated over and over TWO HUNDRED SIXTY THOUSAND TIMES (there I go again)at some sites; see http://www.ibri.org/Tracts/varvetct.htm for a discussion.
Another bit: I have held in my hand, at the Bishop Museum in Honolulu, core samples from Eniwetok that show more or less continuous growth, with various interruptions, for well over 100,000 years. See News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com. Lots of other good stuff there too.
One other thing: I believe a lot of the heat-from-rain problems mentioned comes from the fact that every gram of water changing state from vapor to liquid, which is how you get rain, releases 600 Joules of heat, more than enough to boil the world and everything in it if we’re talking about enough water to cover the Himalayas.
Sez you. Again, it wasn’t my part of the project, but I’ve seen the specs. Gopher wood is a mistranslation; it was actually a super-secret metal alloy not replicated until the late 1930s, and even then under such hush-hush conditions that only a small disc was fabricated. Here’s the specs, if you’re interested.
Please read my posts more carefully. The fairies were only involved in animal husbadnry. Materiel and construction were handled by these guys
Didn’t I mention the 31,415,926,536 hamsters in cages we had detailed to power the thermal resequencers?
Really, if you’re not going to listen to somebody who was THERE, I don’t know how we can have a rational discussion.
Ciao,
Raphael
Once you’ve satifactorily rebutted all the points discussed there, perhaps it might be worthwhile responding to you again. But not until then.
I’m going to steal this from Dawkins.
Think of it this way. If we went back in a time machine and plucked a human specimen a thousand years ago and then went back another thousand years into the past our specimen could interbreed with anyone without difficulty. Every thousand years we could pick a new person up and make a family from the previous thousand year period. We could do this over and over all the way back to 6-7 million years ago, to the ancestors of all chimps and humans today. Then we could take this common ancestor and go in reverse, go forward towards today, a thousand years and this species could breed with the ancestors of the chimp line.
Eventually, we’d be back to modern times, breeding a modern day chimp with one from a thousand years ago. It would be a large, unbroken chain between man and chimp – well, more like a Y, with the base of the Y being our ancestor, one path going to chimps and one to us.
As for **Interest,**the only way you can take the Bible literally and have it jive with what we know of the world is if God worked his Jesus magic and made all the evidence up, to fool us. Or maybe Satan did, since he’s the great deceiver, right? Regardless, technology and the modern world work best when we pretend the earth was is 4+ billion years old and homo sapiens is thousands upon thousands of years old.
That’s a good one, I’ll have to remember it. I still want him to explain why trilobites are heavier than dinosaurs though. 
That’s more or less continuous growth of coral reef building organisms, which I forgot to put in.
You probably mean we have the same number of chromsomes - though I believe some people have an extra Y, so that’s not even true.
Here is the abstract of what looks like an interesting paper that shows that genes we share with the zebrafish (indicating common descent) have been duplicated and are now expressed differently. I’d have to get my wife to translate this into English ( 
) but before you make claims like that above you should take some time to search for contradictory findings.
BTW, the sickle cell anemia gene is a counter-example to your claim. Flu viruses mutate all the time - not too helpful to us, but good for them. It’s true that the majority of mutations are not favorable (they’re neutral, I believe) but some are.
Isn’t it disturbing to you that nearly everything your creationist sources tell you is wrong? Don’t you think you should draw a conclusion from that?
You should remember that creatures survive who are well adapted to their environment. That creationist arguments survive shows that there must be an environment with no trace of critical thinking, a total lack of understanding of science, and where willful blindness to evidence is rewarded.
I wonder where that could be.