I didn’t name you. Why do you feel targeted?
Because you are as predictable and trasparent as window pane.
You’ve done a fine job of misinterpreting every single one of your own cites. Let’s look:
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Irritation expressed at others for excessively lionizing heroes, not irritation at heroism.
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Irritation expressed by a crowd, come to see a guy get killed, at wanting to give them less of a show. The description of his uselessly-suicidal actions as “heroism” is added on by a religious commentator supporting his claim to sainthood.
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Irritation at defiance of authority.
Not a single example of irritation at “heroism”, or at heroes for being heroic.
No wonder you’re puzzled. But not to the extent that this hatefilled fool is:
Nothing to do there but pat him on the head and send him off to bed. Some ignorance just can’t be fought.
You felt that I singled you out despite not naming anyone because I’m “as predictable and trasparent as window pane”? I don’t understand where your ire could be coming from.
You’re right Elvis. The feeling that I referenced is completely ridiculous. I’ve certainly never seen any evidence of it on these hallowed boards.
You’re changing the subject. You said some people had a problem with “the heroism and sacrifice” of the people on Flight 93? What the fuck does that have to do with patriotism or the government? What is your evidence that anyone has a problem with the idea that the people on 93 could have been heroes?
Nope.
No they didn’t. They added nothing. They were a non-sequitur in relationship to your accusation. They were left off becayse they weren’t relevant.
Please. :rolleyes:
You didn’t hit anywhere close to home, asshole. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories and i don’t have a problem with the heroism of the passengers on Flight 93. Why the fuck would you think you were “hitting close to home?” Fuck you.
You haven’t seen anyone saying they have a problem with heroism and sacrifice.
I have no dog in this fight, and I’m not a believer in conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, I think you are incorrect as to their motivation.
What irritates such people, I would assume, is not heroism per se, but rather the notion that the government (or whoever other evil conspirators may be the target of their scorn) are using or manupulating the notion of heroism to support their particular political point of view.
If one assumes that they actually believe that (say) the downing of the flight was actually caused by the government and covered up by a conspiracy, and not by the passengers in a heroic action, then the trumpeting of the heroism of said passengers & holding them up as ideals of patriotism would be the worst sort of hypocricy, rather than praiseworthy.
I personally think that the conspiracy theory is nonsense - but attacking the theory makes more sense than lambasting such people for not sufficiently honouring homegrown heros.
I did read your whole post, and never got the sense you were talking about conspiracy theorists. The vague ‘I can’t see what’s in people’s hearts’ thing contributed to the confusion- it’s almost an invitation for people you’re not talking to to take it personally. It sounds to me like this is mostly a misunderstanding, but it was and is a befuddling comment.
From here
“the casting of heroes in relation to September 11 is pretty unnecessary, and possibly the wrong approach. People died, and it’s tragic, but the bottom line is that we got beat, badly, and I don’t think trying to spin anything from that day positively will teach us how to avoid getting beaten again.”
This was found after a quick google search. Others are available, but I stopped searching because I expect the rate of return for my time investment to be minimal.
My mistake. Your spirited defense of those you completely disagree with is admirable.
EO, I was all set to defend you until I read your response here. My apologies to the OP. You really were using a tragedy and the heroism of a few individuals as a partisan bludgeon. If you really feel that way about the people on that flight, why would you pollute their memory by politicizing their actions? Thsoe people did not do what they did to participate posthumously in your grubby little bitchfights.
I said that to specifially prevent the bitchfest that we are currently engaged in. I was attempting to reference an attitude that irritates me very much without pointing a finger unfairly at any individual. Dio simply chose to pick up the banner and run with it.
And you’re doing a fine job of semantic nitpickery. Kudos.
I was referencing a mindset that I find irritating. You seem to be inferring that:
(a) this mindset comes from the left.
(b) that’s REALLY who I’m trying to hurt, not the people I’m directly talking about.
Some people are, in fact, bothered by the idea of the actions the passengers took and the reaction to it. I have spoken with some of them face to face. Talking about what idiots they are doesn’t shit on the memory of the passengers or their actions.
You claimed that “It’s a fact that some people are irritated by stories of heroism, I have no particular insight as to why, but it’s a syndrome that does exist”, and went further into attempting to provide such “insight” into the motivations of people of whom you cannot provide a single example.
You were and are flatly wrong. How deep a hole do you intend to dig for yourself?
Cite?
Geez, this is why I usually stay clear of these partisan bickering sessions.
I don’t keep up with the score card, so maybe my guesses are off. But it seems to me that Evil One must typically espouse a conservative point of view. Dio, being the knee-jerk liberal that he is, automatically assumed that the post by EO that started all this off was a direct swipe at liberals.
And you know, Dio, if you would have just come out and say that, I could have steered clear of this idiotic thread and never had to bother with the insane intellectual twisting that goes with these things. Sheesh, just come out and say it now so I can bow out of this farce of a thread.
But let’s take your OP at face value. Let’s assume this is not knee-jerk partisan bickering.
EO has since come along and stated quite clearly he was referring to VCO3, as I had stated earlier. That should end this whole thing. You know, it’s just a misunderstanding. But you follow up with …
If it doesn’t hit close to home, why the fuck are you so upset?
OK, so you don’t believe that wacko conspiracy theorists “problem with the heroism of the passengers on Flight 93”. So? EO states that he does believe this. So? Why is this so upsetting to you?
Going back a bit in the thread …
Why? I really don’t understand what you have your panties in a twist over. First of all, this sort of thing doesn’t need proof. In a world with a population in the billions, there’s bound to be wackos with all sorts of wierd points of view. It is not in the least unreasonable to assume there’s a few out there who have “a problem with heroism and self-sacrifice.” Second of all, how does the existence or non-existence of people with such a point of few affect you in the slightest?
See post #30, posted 14 minutes before your request.
So that’s your meme for the day, is it? You referenced the same feeling over here in reference to Mr. Moto’s Heroes series:
You seem to believe that those who are only your political opponents are actually twisted, nasty, and evil people.
Wrong. That’s an expression of irritation at spin, at excessive lionization of heroes, not at the heroes or their heroism. Maybe you and Duck can figure it out together. Or maybe not, it doesn’t matter.