I would like to invite the subject of this thread to actually NAME someone who is “bothered by the heroism” of the Flight 93 victims. That’s got to be one of the dumbest fucking things I’ve ever read on this board. The only reason I can’t say it’s THE dumbest is because the recently departed Updike has probably established a standard that will never be touched, but your own sweeping, idiotic, unfounded smear at least deserves a mention in the Pit.
Could you at least, pray tell, offer an explanation as to WHY you think “some people” (liberals, I presume?) are so bothered by the heroism of those on Flight 93? Where the hell does a thought like that even come from?
I think you may be pitting the wrong person in that thread. I suspect Evil One’s post was in response to these turds dropped earlier in that same thread:
If Evil One is responding to that, then I must agree with the sentiment.
Well, if some of the complete batshit-crazy loons in this thread, like bigpappadiaz or Sent are to be believed, Flight 93 is all part of big government conspiracy and didn’t happen. Therefore, a movie about the events of the fictional flight are nothing more than another propoganda tool of the Evil Government[sup]TM[/sup] to misdirect the American populace away from what really happened.
Hey Evil One. Read the timeline of that flight. Note the guy who got his throat slit early on? That’s one of my high school friend’s dad. So… I think I appreciate the heroism of those on that plane pretty good. Thanks for the thought though! Dickwad.
I don’t see the connection. Why would even a conspiracy theorist “have a problem with” the possibility of heroism and sacrifice? If the suggestion is that some people concoct conspiracy theories because they can’t stand the idea that the people on Flight 93 were heroes, it still has to be explained WHY they would feel that way, and Evil One has still not offered the slightest bit of evidence that such a motivation exists at all.
You’ve got to be kidding me. I’m not saying I know what motivates a crazy conspiracy theorist like VCO3, but you have to admit, that if one believes that the whole thing was staged, that means, by definition, no actual heroics took place on the plane. The question then arises, why is VCO3 denying these events and, by extention, denying that actual heroics took place? It does not seem at all unreasonable to say that he is bothered by the idea of ordinary people performing actual heroic acts.
Of course, again, who knows what motivates him? Maybe he just loves conspiracy theories. Maybe the sky is purple in his world. Who knows? That’s not the point I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that it seems quite obvious to me that Evil One is referring to VCO3. If he’s not, then he should explain exactly what he meant.
Maybe my chin strap is too tight and it’s obstructing my view, but …
seems to defeat the howling “NAME someone who is ‘bothered by heroism’” part of your OP.
Hmmm. Perhaps people get upset thinking a cowardly enemy (for an extreme example a homicide bomber) might be inspired by the brave acts depicted in the movie? BTW: It makes much more sense if you include the rest of the post, which you so conveniently omitted.
Nope, the crazy conspiratorial theorist can absolutely believe in heroics (after all, they are indeed the heros who ‘see through’ the lies etc.). They’d believe in the crazy conspiracy jus’ cause that’s who they are.
It’s a fact that some people are irritated by stories of heroism, I have no particular insight as to why, but it’s a syndrome that does exist. If I hadda guess, I’d guess that it’s because they view it with a certain feeling of impatience, as in, “Oh, fine, make the rest of us look bad, willya”, because they’re so insecure that they know that they themselves would never be able to make the same decision, to go mano a mano with a group of terrorists, or dive into freezing water to rescue a golden-haired child, or whatever. And so they hate the person who did jump up and grab the steering wheel of the bus when the driver had a heart attack.
It’s a kind of jealousy, I suppose.
So I think it’s possible to read Evil One’s statement without necessarily jumping to the conclusion that he must have meant “liberals”.
Note: This post is guaranteed 100% free of political content. I have no dog in this fight.
Oh, absolutely. I’m not trying to psychoanalyze VCO3; I’m just saying it is reasonable to assume Evil One is referring to him.
Oh, Christ, is that what all this is about? Fuck, excuse me for wandering into the goddamned petty partisan bickering around here where anything and everything is taken as a swipe at Conservatives/Liberals, depending on the viewpoint of the poster.
I want to see evidence that anyone at all, liberal conservative or conspiracy theorist, has a problem with heroism and self-sacrifice. I think that accusing even the conspiracists of not wanting the victims to be heroes is a chickenshit, unfounded ad hominem. If you think the conspiracy is ridiculous, then attack the conspiracy. Accusing the conspiracist of “having a problem with heroism and sacrifice” is unfair, evasive, dismissive and fallacious. It’s exactly the same as accusing them of being pro-terrorist. It’s possible to believe in a conspiracy without hating the victims.
Evil One wasn’t talking about conspiracy theorists (a hearty fuck you to, guys!). THAT is what’s clear from his statement about people that are irritated by heroism.
You are aware that many conspiracy theorists don’t believe there were any victims of Flight 93? So to them the Charge of the Bunn Brigade never even happened?
Evil One said that some people actually have a problem with the idea of the heroism itself, not the mere deptiction of it.
It’s Suicide bomber, by the way. not “homicide bomber.” Only retards say “homicide bomber…” I also think it’s stupid to call them cowards. It takes balls to blow yourself up or drive a plane into a buliding. That’s not to say there’s anything virtuous about it. It just means that physical courage does not necessarily have any correlation to moral character. Lots of assholes can be brave.
The rest of the post adds nothing and explains nothing. It’s just a lot of self-praising masturbation bout how much he loves the heroes. Who gives a shit? How is it relevant?
Errmmm…you’re questioning my assertion that “some people are irritated by stories of heroism”? I wouldn’t have thought that was something that needed a cite. Seems to me something that’s self-evident.
Wow. A guy goes to have some lunch and returns to his first pitting.
Where to begin…?
My comments were inspired by VCO3 and his conspiracy theory bullshit, but not completely in response to that alone. If you recall in the days following 9/11, the theory was bandied about that the story of Flight 93 was invented by the government as propaganda, that it wasn’t really true, that it wasn’t really THAT inspring after all, etc. Since the actions of the people on that plan affected me so deeply (and still do) my already present distaste for such individuals grew by a factor of ten.
There is a certain cadre of people in this country that absolutely cannot stand any sort of display of simple patriotism or any other sort of indication that the United States is anything more than a den of evil “corporate drones” who sit around keeping the righteous under thier evil thumbs while polishing their monacles.
I know they exist. I have spoken to them. I have read their posts. Right now, some of them are reading my words…getting annoyed but not knowing how to respond without proving my point for me.
I hope this makes my feelings clearer, Dio. By the way, it was somewhat intellectually dishonest to leave off the last two sentences of my post. They provided context.
