But you still can’t point us toward any real, actual examples of them, can you? You do see why the above inference is being drawn, I hope.
By continuing to insist that I really mean liberals, Elvis, you seem to be stipulating that only liberals would feel the way I’m talking about.
“my post is my cite” that I’m an honest-to-Buddha Kerry-voting liberal who has personally observed said behaviors, and primarily in rural self-identified conservatives at that. I think you’re reading in stuff that’s not there, on the basis of Evil One’s politics.
Since you can’t tell us of any actual examples of who you’re referring to, and you certainly don’t mean conservatives, then what else is there to think? Oh, yeah, that you’re making shit up. It’s certainly a possibility, even at this point a high probability, that you’re simply lying.
So how about it, amigo? Who *do * you mean? What have they said, exactly? Can you back up anything you say at all?
At this point, I’m going to recommend a cool washcloth for your forehead and a dark quiet room
“Fucking liar” it is, then.
I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but this is poor logic. Does a person have to actually be an asshole before they take offense at being called an asshole? The truth of the insult doesn’t matter, only that the insult exists. If you’re vague in who you’re referring to, and someone can reasonably presume you’re talking about them, that doesn’t necessarily mean they accept that what you’re saying is correct.
Liberals have been called unAmerican, traitorous, Saddam-loving, and any other kind of jingoistic epithet you can think of in the past few years. It’s not outside the bounds of reality that a liberal would presume ‘people who hate the heroism exhibited on Flight 93’ would be yet another indirect swipe at them. That doesn’t mean the liberal DOES hate the heroism exhibited on Flight 93, only that they think it’s another false accusation. This is especially true if said liberal never encountered that actual mindset. I certainly haven’t. It’d be reasonable to think it was just more sniping.
Am I invisible here, or do you actively block out viewpoints that you don’t like?
Are you and Evil One referring to the same people? No? Then his own inability to name any, despite his easy condemnation of them, stands (or, rather, falls) by itself. If you’d been making the same claim, then fine, we’d only be discussing possible misinterpretation. But you’re not, he is, and he’s simply making shit up. QED. 'Kay? :rolleyes:
That would imply that you think they chose to crash the plane rather than having it eventually crash in whatever building it was heading to. I’m assuming they tried to retake control of the plane to save their own lives.
I’m tiring of this thread and only read up until your post. You pretty much nailed my sentiments in this excerpt.
So I’m confused–are you saying that my anecdotal evidence of having met these people is valid and his is not, or that both are invalid and that I’m just not relevant to the discussion?
And for all I know, Evil One coulda grown up down the street and bought groceries from my dad’s store, or he could live on the moon. All that matters is that he’s said “there are people who actively dislike heroism”, and in my experience these are not the kind of people who make it onto the news or hell, even onto the internet, so it’s not terribly surprising to me that he can’t cite it in a way acceptable to you.
Frankly, I’m also not surprised that most people HAVEN’T seen this phenomenon–as I said, the majority of people I know who are disdainful of heroism are poor, rural, and conservative-in-name, and I suspect the majority of posters here has relatively little contact with people in that environment.
By the way–no matter which way you respond to my first paragraph, you’re being a dick. There’s quite enough partisan sniping on these boards without people like you and Dio making shit up out of nonexistent subtexts. Not everything is liberal/conservative or Democrat/Republican, and sometimes nominally conservative people really are saying things with absolutely no intent to piss off liberals.
<off-topic> Christ, I voted for Kerry and it’s shit like this that reminds me why I like liberal/progressive platforms and HATE liberals and progressives. You bitch about the conservatives having a persecution complex and making shit up, then you go and do the exact same fucking thing. Whatever the fuck happened to fucking dialogue in good faith? What’s it hurt to take shit at face value for a chance?</off-topic>
I think he’s saying yours is and Evil One’s isn’t, because you actually managed to talk about specific people.
Did you read the thread that this came from? I’m not sure there was any face value of any kind. As I said in another post, the rest of this thread is due to the way people view Evil One’s character.
That may well be true–I haven’t interacted or read much of Evil One’s stuff, mostly because I try to avoid the political stuff. Kinda depressing to watch both sides going at it doing the exact same things they accuse the other of most of the time.
Honestly, I despair–when even relatively inocuous stuff gets blown this far out of proportion on the Dope, what hope is there for a decent dialogue in reality?
Oh, and you make a good point: Evil One , can you say unequivocally for the crowd that you know people who hold disdain/hatred for heroics, and that you 100% are not referring to “liberals” only? Just to see what people say?
Certainly, Zeriel. This is post 34 from this very thread.
The next time I encounter someone of the mindset I’m referring to, I’ll try to get them to go to a notary public and do a deposition for you. Until then, you’ll have to take my word that I’ve met and talked to such people.
I admit I have my doubts after this OP. For me, if a guy pisses me off, I want him as far away from my junk as possible.
“Hey, you just elbowed my wife. Suck my dick!”
“Hey, you got peanut butter on my chocolate. Suck my dick!”
“Hey, not that I’m paranoid, but I resemble that cryptic prose. Suck my fucking dick!”
What’s the going rate for a Minnesota gigolo? I’ll Paypal a ten-spot. Xploder, I know you’re down. Anybody else in?