You will find, should you research the matter, that ad nominee does not apply to the expressed opinions of a debating opponent.
If I had said you had no standing because you were English, that would be ad hominem. What I criticised was the content of your posts so far as they indicated your attitudes.
That’s because Pjen isn’t making an argument. He’s just cheerleading. Cheerleading every bump in the polls and SNP press release, jeering every opponent.
While l agree that your calling his views “anglocentric” isn’t an ad hominem, you sure do offer an extraordinary example of the No True Scotsman fallacy by claiming those views are necessarily anglocentric.
Nice jibe but it is not a " no true Scotsman" argument
That doesn’t negate his point, though. Rather than simply saying you disagree (which you appear to shrink from doing as it would require you to extend equal validity and respect to Steophan’s views), you try to invalidate them as inherently anglo-centric, when that’s neither true nor relevant.
Ugh. Of course it is. He must be English (and not Scottish) because No True Scotsman would hold those views.
No. I was going from a whole series of both sceptical remarks and those verging on abusive.
The "no true Scotsman’ is not to do with defining categories, but to do who continual moving of goalposts to ensure the end you desire.
It can be either. You can set it up from the beginning, or back into it slowly.
For fuck’s sake not again.
Having just done 10 minutes of research I’m ruling that “Little Englander” is pejorative in this case and therefore an insult.
Pjen, if you can’t control yourself on this subject you should leave it alone.
Innit.
Here’s the perspective of another person who lives in Scotland, one who isn’t fucking obsessed:
The referendum was a solid “No” - it’s a done deal for many years
The SNP day-to-day Holyrood governance is actually pretty competent, and will be more so under Nicola Sturgeon, who I have a great respect for. Salmond shouldn’t stand for Westminster, he failed at his great project, and to keep a high profile will undermine his successor.
The inflated SNP numbers predicted for the next Westminster elections will go back to usual-ish levels. Labour will lose some Westminster seats, but people in Scotland are pretty good at voting to exclude Tories.
The Smith proposals will be implemented in full. As part of that, Westminster will sort out a deal to address the West Lothian Question. It’s a fracture in our democracy, to be honest. It’ll need a steady hand on the tiller do deliver though.
And in the glorious sunlit uplands of the future, Scotland will once again qualify for a World Cup
“Little Englander” is as much part of normal political discussion in the UK as Euro-fanatic, or neo-conservative or communist. It is a statement of political position and world view and is no more pejorative than any other appellation used by a political opponent. It is no different from the false descriptions of me as a Scottish extreme n or plastic Jock. And certainly less pejorative than previous episodes where Steophan has implied that my separatist views are tantamount to terrorism.
Malden Capell asked for reliable polls about Scottish attitudes. I provided the above. Any comments on this series of rather impressive results indicating the dissatisfaction of the Scottish electorate?
For what it’s worth, I fully agree that it’s not an insult.
They show that the Scottish people want further devolution whilst remaining in the Union. Which is what is going to happen. The only dissatisfaction seems to be with the colour of the rosettes that the Westminster government wear, rather than the actual policies.
And how the just demands of the Scottish peel for further devolution are met will directly affect the number of people willing to vote for independence. The last campaign saw the figures move from 25% to 45% and mismanagement of the Scottish problem could quite easily lead to separation.
The above figures show that if home rule (all government decisions save military and diplomatic/ foreign policy were devolved, there would likely be a majority for that. Westminster parties need to accept the will of the Scottish people and act to keep them in the union if the ratchet effect is not to drive them towards independence. The feeling up here, and not just within the SNP, is that considerable further devolution must follow.
Interestingly, English votes for English laws will feed this desire.
I wouldn’t read it as that. Little Englander has a particularly sinister, unpleasant connotation with the Daily Mail reading, UKIP voting, foreigner-hating stripe that many on this board would find difficult to give the time of day.
But is no more insulting than “euro-fanatic” or “neo-conservative”. All it implies is a closed-minded concentration on one nationalist and political position.
Well that certainly describes someone in this conversation…
That’s not ‘all’ it implies. I agree those other terms are connotation heavy too, which is why I haven’t condoned those, either. In the context of this particular discussion, Little Englander has a particularly unpleasant and judgmental, discussion-ending ring to it.