Explain to an Englishman: why is the Arizona immigration law so controversial?

The point is really quite clear. If immigration from Mexico is bad/wrong because it’s illegal, then the illegality should be justified by something other than “the U.S. is a sovereign nation and we can keep out whoever we want.”

Little Nemo’s question was not, “Does the U.S. government have the authority to control immigration?” but “Why should it be illegal for Mexicans to immigrate to the America?” A public-policy question, not a legal/constitutional question. Can you answer it on those terms?

AZ State Capitol smeared with refried-bean swastikas.

As one who is YouTube-deprived at the moment and will be for the foreseeable rest-of-the-afternoon, what’s going on there? Was it a real protest? By who, AZ Latinos or AZ anti-immigrationists? Is it a parody? Is it an Onion video? Something off of SNL’s Weekend Update? My curiosity isn’t going to allow me to wait until 5:30 this afternoon to find out.

Yes, I understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration. And yes I think that a nation has a right to control its borders.

Now answer my question. Why should it be illegal for Mexicans to immigrate to the United States?

“Because the U.S. is a sovereign nation” is not a good answer.

We don’t know who did it yet, although it’s almost certainly anti-bill protestors.

It is not illegal for them to immigrate if they do it legally. It is illegal for them to immigrate illegally.

Wow, I didn’t think this would be such a difficult question to understand.

I represent illegal aliens all the time. (Public Defender in NoVA). Again we get to the state/fed issue. If the state is attempting to enforce state laws against an indigent person, said person is entitled to representation by a public defender.

Sorry about the barrage of questions. You have to admit, from the title alone, it sounded like it could very well have been a comedy skit.

The problem is that an 1800’s North America could use anyone who arrived and wanted to take free land at the frontier and farm, or work in any of a vast number of unskilled jobs.

In a modern industrial society, the workers should be literate at least, if not well educated. Today almost every part of our life requires the ability to read at a minimum. Most jobs require skills. Society is not geared to support an underclass of people to do menial tasks. The few jobs there are - do we need to import people to do that? We produce plenty of home-grown losers. Do we really need to import our taxi drivers, for example?

The other problem is that allowing an oversupply of menial workers discourages employers from raising the quality of that work. Restaurants that can line up 4 people at sinks to wash dishes don’t buy industrial diskwashers for example. What is better for the economy, people making machines at industrial wage or washing dishes at less than minimum wage?

The trouble with enforcing the law “don’t hire illegals” is that then you have to define the proper test for “who is illegal?” that does not discriminate against people less able to round up documentation. Canada’s SI Number system is pretty good for that - between birth records, employment income, etc. it quickly finds people with duplicate or multiple SIN’s.

Unskilled jobs can be done by any “loser”?

Which jobs are unskilled jobs? I can think of at least two skills that driving a taxi requires.

It really happened. Who did it is not clear. I would guess, protestors against the new law.

There is no legal way for the average Mexican to immigrate to the United States.

Sure there is, if you have a relative legally here already. (Maybe it shouldn’t be that way, but that’s another debate.)

I’m wondering whether the OP feels like his question has been addressed.

And depending on the relationship between you and your relative, this process might take several years.

Except the relative has to be a US citizen or permanent resident spouse, US citizen child over 21, US citizen or permanent resident parent, or sibling. And waits for all categories except spouses or parents of adult US citizens are measured in years, or in the case of siblings, decades. Take a look here for details.

It reamins the case that most Mexicans have no way to immigrate legally, and even if they do, they are likely facing a wait of anywhere from several years to multiple decades.

A National ID card could legitimize spics, right? Gotta be bad. :wink:

Well . . . One thing that has not yet been sufficiently stressed in this thread is that the Minutemen, etc., almost certainly would not exist if the illegal-immigration pressure were coming from Canada instead of Mexico.

For racial reasons, in case that was not entirely clear to an Englishman.

From Blood, Class and Nostalgia: Anglo-American Ironies, by Christopher Hitchens, discussing the “official English” movement of 1988:

Pioneer Fund

John Tanton

And that is one reason why all this is so controversial.