Explain to me the shape of the classic harp?

I’ve been wondering about this for quite a while, and I finally spent a few unproductive hours Googling, but have found no web page that addresses the question.

Here’s the classic harp shape I’m referring to:

The unconfusing part is the red line, which is consistent with a decrease in string length making higher and higher pitches. The utterly confusing part is the green curve above it, which starts off somewhat linear, then does a rather spectacular dive, then bends back towards the freaking ceiling.

Here is a corresponding image that I do understand, because I grew up with the instrument in question — this is a grand piano, looking down on it from above, so you can see its harp. (Yeah, the array of strings and metal body to which they’re attached is also called a harp).

Most of the piano’s strings — the part I’ve outlined in red — create a geometric progression from long strings for the lower notes and short strings for the upper notes. It forms a basic triangle, with a minor exception I’ll explain later.

There are a handful of strings mounted at a different angle which I’ve outlined in green — these continue the progression to lower notes, the ones you’d expect to be to the left of the ones outlined in red, but they obtain part of their lower pitch by being wrapped in metal to make them thicker, which makes them resonate at a lower frequency without having to be so long. If you didn’t do that, the trajectory of the red figure would have to keep going and grand pianos would be really really freaking long by the time you got to the lowest notes.

There’s a smaller subset that I outlined in purple within the green area — those are wrapped even more densely, which is why the top of the green outline figure is able to suddenly stop getting rapidly taller.

Meanwhile, over on the far right of the red outline area, you’ll notice that the plummeting string length levels off. That’s because to get higher pitches on the very top strings, you just tighten the heck out of them when you’re tuning instead of continuing to shorten them. At a certain point they stop sounding like piano strings if you keep making them shorter. As it is, the very top notes of a piano sound glassy and lack the richness of the strings farther down. It’s a compromise, same as the wrapped strings at the other end.

SO… I’m assuming there’s some similar set of rationales for why the instrument we call a harp has its weird U-bend. That the strings at a certain point are made from a different material, or are wrapped in wire, or are just plain thicker (or thinner, depending on which direction you’re moving to)… but I can’t find a specific explanation anywhere!

Any of you folks harpists, and know? Or have better Google-fu, perhaps?

I don’t have an answer but I’m going to watch this thread for info as I love harp music. I know a harp player but I don’t have contact information as I’d send him a link.

The cites at the end of the article are very informative.

The Physics behind sound and how it can be music is very interesting.

The Harps design is partially for comfort and aesthetics. The harpist needs for it to be balanced correctly. There’s also the string vibration factors mentioned in the quote.

This harpist instrument weighs 85 lbs and is over 6ft tall!

Link relation of piano string length to pitch? - Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange

I forgot this link. It does explain the harp’s curve.

Aside (sort of) There are lots of videos on YouTube about harps, the different kinds, the tuning and playing of them. It’s mind-bogglingly complicated.

Without reading any of the links, and not knowing really anything about music, I am going for a wild stab in the dark.

When the strings get too thin, they need to be made of a different material, so also need to be a different length to make up for the pitch.

Yeah, that’s what I was interested in knowing about, thank you! I figured it was basically that kind of thing, but I’ve realized over the years that I’m often wrong when I extrapolate from what I do know to what appears to be a similar situation and just assumed it worked the same way. In this case, it does, but I wanted some confirmation of that!

My late wife was a harpist. Although she played Celtic harp, not concert harp like the OP’s pic. But the overall shape and hence physics is the same.

Pitch is a function of string stiffness, string tension, and string length. As you point out, the length is not the simple monotonic decreasing function one might naively expect. So to get the evenly decreasing pitch, the other parameters are varied to compensate for the length.

As has been addressed, the longer lower notes are made of a thicker string material, and in some cases are wound just like the lower piano strings. IIRC a full set of 36 harp strings for a Celtic involves about 5 different thicknesses & rigidities of string material. I don’t have personal knowledge of concerts, but I’d expect something similar.

Minor nitpick - your drawing is not quite correct. The bottom of your red line is along the damper line; the dampers do not determine the speaking length of the strings. The pin side string termination if provided by the slightly curved capo d’astro bar (the part of the harp just above the zig-zag red felt) in the upper treble and by agraffes (the little silver colored doohickeys just above the red felt in the rest of the piano). You can see in the treble the line of agraffes continues the curve of the capo s’astro bar. Bottom line is that the string lengths in the treble have a more exponential increase than your triangle shows.

Here’s a chart of strings for a 36-string harp. If you’re really interested, here’s more information about what the strings are made of.

THAT is cool!

Great cites. Thank you.

Those are for lever harps, such as my late wife played. Which are quite different from the upright or “pedal” harps in the OP’s example picture. But for sure they both operate by the same physics. The rest is just details.

If you made a harp with all of the strings in the same material and thickness, then the lengths of the strings would have to increase exponentially as you progressed from high notes to low notes. You can manage an exponential increase for a while, and it does, at the high end. But eventually, it gets impractical, and so you have to start adjusting other things about the strings to get the lower notes in order to keep them short enough.

Also, the bottom red line goes too far to the left. The treble strings, which are angled up and to the left, end at the diagonal gold strut where the red line meets the green line, and meet the top point of your diagonal red line. The bass strings are angled to the right over (or under, I forget) the treble strings.

As for the shape of the harp, although I have no expertise, I strongly suspect that it is largely determined by making it playable: putting the strings in easy reach of the player. A purely geometric arrangement, as in the piano, might not put the optimum touch points of the strings in positions that allow for full artistic expression.