Face Off season 7

This week - take a character from the Wizard of Oz and transport them to Wonderland. Exciting, colorful, fun.

Self picked teams, but someone gets to be the left overs, and that ends up being Jason and Sasha.

Results:

Drew and George, with the Wicked Witch of the West: They had a concept where the witch gets caught in a tornado and ends up in Wonderland. They come up with a green witch in a black dress and hat. They wanted to do a big twirled hairdo under the hat, but the hat they got didn’t have room, so the ended up with wispy gray hairs on a big green dome of a head. As Glenn says, “Very Wizard of Oz, not very Wonderland”. They claim her features got exaggerated by Wonderland, but that doesn’t show up. The only concession to Wonderland seems to be shiny stuff on her dress. The face sculpt is good, but they made a big domed head that was going to support the hair but didn’t so it looks goofy. And the neck bulges weirdly and, as Glenn said, it looks like the makeup ends at the neck of the dress. She doesn’t look like the shoulders continue under the clothes. Ve is here this week, and she says they should have changed the color and not made her green. Lois said they could have done something big with the hair to bring in the whimsy. They ended up Safe for the week.

Damien and Cig, the Scarecrow: Their Scarecrow got sucked into Wonderland and embraced the crazy. He was destuffed and restuffed and made up of patches and repairs. They had a good concept, but they overdid it. They made the face up as if the burlap bag had been patched and repaired, and they threw everything at it. In the end, they had a cluttered mess where the face wasn’t distinct from the costume. Lois points out one of the best bits they use is metal, and they hide that under the hat. Also, they tried to pull off a dropping head gag by building up the shoulders, but that falls flat. The outfit is such a cluttered mess, it isn’t visible. They were in Bottom looks for poor choices in execution.

Stella and Dina, a Flying Monkey: Their concept is that the Flying Monkey ends up in Wonderland, where the Queen of Hearts decides to make it her jester. So they sculpted a monkey face and turned the ears and top of the head into the jester cap, and used playing cards for the wings. It’s got a creepy look with the right dash of color. The judges love it, and call it the best mash up of the two worlds. They get Top looks.

Jason and Sasha, the Cowardly Lion: This was a fuck up, right from the get go. The problem is that Jason right off the bat wants to do creepy instead of whimsical. He says “we did whimsical last time, I want to do creepy.” Hey dipshit, you have to do the challenge you are given, not the one you want to do. But he’s paired up with Sasha, who knows it needs to be whimsical and fun, but “doesn’t like confrontation”, so she doesn’t argue very hard for what they need to do. That happened last time she got with a partner who didn’t want to do the challenge they were given. She goes along, but then gets upset because it’s her “dream challenge”, but she doesn’t have the confidence and gumption to stand up for the idea.

So Jason is sculpting a bland dull lion for a Cowardly Lion put into the queen’s guard, and he’s beaten and starved to make him comply. Then Mr. Westmore sees it, and hammers them hard for not being whimsical, and being dull, and not looking like a lion. And all the time Sasha is quiet while Jason is surprised. And I’m thinking “See, I told you”. They try to incorporate stripes from the Cheshire Cat, but they don’t really have a concept for the paint and colors. Sasha tries a technique to avoid having the baggy funfur suit, so she tries to transfer fur to a body stocking, which seems to work but on stage is shedding pretty bad.

The judges say it lacked direction, the face looks stiff and masklike, the colors were horrible, the ears should have been bigger (which Sasha wanted but Jason said make them smaller), it needed a giant mane and afro, and pretty much they failed the concept. They were Bottom looks for sure.

Rachael and Keaghlan, the Tin Woodsman: They say the Woodsman was drafted into the army by the Queen, and he realizes he has a heart when he won’t be her executioner. Good story. They have a very good sculpt and great paint job to accentuate it. The sculpt is very symmetrical, which they realized it needed to be, and the judges note that. It’s got good lines that are highlighted by the paint job. A very solid result and Top Looks.

In the end, the winning team is Stella and Dina for their Flying Monkey. It was the best mesh of the two universes, and a beautiful job. They give the Win to Dina for her idea to make the flesh blend to the shapes of the jester’s hat and collar.

The losing team goes to Jason and Sasha for their Cowardly Lion. The Scarecrow had some bad decisions in execution, but was a decent idea and had some good elements. The Cowardly Lion did not have a good concept and did not fit the challenge at all, and the face was pretty bad. The loser was Jason, because it was his concept and largely his direction.

I really expected them to say something to Sasha about needing to be stronger in her opinions. This was the second time she let herself get railroaded and ended up in bottom looks because of it. But I think they made the right call.

Next week, they have a special Face Off challenge; it’s judge’s week, where Glenn, Ve, and Neville will compete against each other with some of the favorites from previous seasons to assist them. This should be interesting, and definitely different. We get to see how the pro’s do things.

Good review, thanks!

It was tough to argue with anything the judges said this week. The scarecrow was too busy and didn’t show well. I was disappointed that the shoulder/head thing didn’t work and it’s probably part of why the look wasn’t good. Interesting that the two who were forced together got bottom looks.

I also agree that Sasha would do well if she would speak up because she has a good record otherwise! So hopefully this will give her some confidence, if nothing else.

The monkey really was well done. As was the tin man but it was obvious which one really fit the parameters of the challenge.

Thanks!

vislor

I wish I could agree with you, Mr. Haven, but I, too, am losing interest. For me, it stems from the total lack of excitement and wonder I can get from this show now - they show the final creations in the previews, show them in the opening credits, and show them in the commercials for the episodes. The joy that I got from this show was to see how the things were started, the changes made during the process, the artistry behind it, and wondering what the final look will be. It takes it all out when you show the final products, so that you’re just watching the build.

Its like on Project Runway when they show the final outfits. I don’t want to see that. I want the surprise of seeing how it goes.

Dina and Sasha’s flying monkey was one of the best makeups I’ve seen in six seasons of watching this show ( missed the first season). That thing didn’t look like a makeup - it looked like a goddamned flying monkey. D & S were aided in that they picked a model who really brought the character to life, but they did a first - rate job. (Which make me happy, as I have a little thing for Dina, with her big brown eyes and cute little cloches, but that’s not strictly relevant…)

It’s easy to armchair quarterback, but I wondered why when Damian and Cig realized that their planned hair wouldn’t fit under the hat, didn’t simply keep the hair and add a brim, turning the hairstyle into a hat. I really want to hate Cig, with his hipster beard and stupid fucking hats, but dammit, the guy is talented. And seems like a decent type.

That’s one of the things that keeps me watching FaceOff - the refreshing lack of prima donnas and assholes. The drama of the show arises from the artists’ pursuit of their craft - will this design work? Is there enough time to pull this off? It’s about the process, not the participants.

Noelq: My wife and I learned to look away and I fast forward or mute, so we don’t see anything at the beginning. Tough to do but it works for us 90% of the time. Basically, I start the show and start fast forwarding until I see people’s names. Then, any time I hear “coming up” I immediately start fast forwarding again. Yes, it sucks to have to do that to avoid spoilers but as I said, it works for us often enough that nothing gets spoiled for us. The few glimpses we get don’t mean anything without some context.

Just a thought.

I agree about the drama being if they are good enough to pull off the idea they have. I think the amount of drama on the show is the “I could be going home tonight” and that gets old but it makes sense at least for how they feel at the time.

Noelq, that’s been my complaint from the get go. I pretty much resort to the technique vislor mentions. I turn off before next week’s preview, don’t look at episode descriptions, and fastforward through the opening until the names start flashing. Also have to have the remote ready on segment cues for whenever MacKenzie says “coming up”.

It would be so much better if the results were kept as surprises and not shown in the advertising for the upcoming season. Gah!

We do the same thing, just trying to ignore the spoilers by fast-forwarding, or even just taking that moment to go fix a snack! I think I’m a little better at zoning out the information than my DH; he seems to get more annoyed.

I liked the challenge last night, although I thought it was a little vague, like maybe the show could have supplied more of a back story. The other piece that came out in the feedback is that the judges liked to see two characters merged, like the lion and the cheshire cat, and the wicked witch and the queen of heart (I think they were blending the Red Queen in there too) … if that was what they were expecting, I think I would have rather had it stated up front in the challenge.

I agreed with judges for the most part.

I was about equal on the Tin Man and the Flying Monkey, both of them were great! Really elegant, amazing finished products. And I like all the contestants on those teams.

It was too bad about the Wicked Witch, I was really surprised that Cig and Damien didn’t seem to grasp the challenge, because previously they have been okay conceptually. But even from their first drawing, when they were explaining the exaggerated features … they WEREN’T exaggerated at all!

The poor Lion was terrible, and Jason deserved to go home for being so clueless about what the challenge was going for. Sasha was annoying me with her passive approach to dealing with this (for all her complaining, she wasn’t making a lot of suggestions) but I also understand the footage could have been edited in a way that emphasized this.

I think the problem last week is that I didn’t care about what anyone was doing. This week was much better; I only skipped the commercials.

Put me down as another person who’s losing interest. For me, it’s not so much about the show’s format or the challenges themselves. It’s the simple fact that no one on the show this season is capable of topping this. Face Off even admitted it last season when they brought Roy, Laura and others back.

It leaves me feeling like the entire field of makeup artists is something of a creative wasteland even though that’s probably not a correct interpretation. (Or maybe it is. What’s the horror genre brought us recently but Saw clones and Alien clones and Dawn of the Dead clones and Pod People clones and Blair Witch clones?)

This week’s challenge is case in point. Three totally forgettable projects. A well-executed, but uninspired tin man. The monkey was clearly a standout for both originality and technique, but it doesn’t rise to what we’ve seen in the past. And for crying out freaking loud, it’s just another f’ing hybrid!!! :mad: Maybe I should take this to the pit, but I am so beyond tired of people merging crap together and pretending it’s new. The producers are as much to blame as the contestants, but I just can’t take it any more.

It all leads inexorably to the conclusion that the best is behind us.

I can certainly understand what people are saying about wanting more and original. For myself, I guess I assume it’s like a tech school. Sure, we get a wide range of experiences and ages in the contestants, but the judges need to know that the new class can handle the basics. So,yes, we do get a lot of the same thing but each year we see what the new class does with it.

What impresses me is how people are right and the bar has been raised from early seasons until now. However, this could be a perception problem. Everything in season one to three seemed new and fresh but I was also impressed how every year, they got better with the basics. What contestants were doing that got them kicked off in season four would have been safe in earlier seasons, it seemed.

I still enjoy it and look forward to what they do but as I have said before it’s also interesting how much my knowledge has increased. I can guess at some of what the judges will say, see the seems myself, and also see a bad paint job that I didn’t see before.

I do miss Patrick, though.

The producers can still occasionally come up with clever challenges - last season’s artistic style challege, for example (the artists had to make their models look like paintings done in different styles - Impressionist, Cubist, Constructivist, etc. IIRC, Laura won with an amazing Cubist portrait).

But there are some technical skills that do get slighted by the producers. I imagine a professional makeup artist needs how to do a good age makeup, or beauty makeup. But haven’t seen a challenge like that in a few seasons. And the producers don’t give bodypainting challenges anymore, either - remember when the artists had to make their models blend in with a background?

This week was a new twist - the judges compete.

Glen teamed up with Wayne Anderson (Season 4) and Laura Tyler (Seasons 3 & 5).

Ve teamed up Conor McCullagh (Season 1) and Roy Wooley (Seasons 3 & 5).

Neville teamed up with Anthony Kosar (Season 4) and Miranda Jory (Seasons 2 & 5).

Giving credentials, it also mentioned that Conor, Roy, and Laura have all worked with Ve on the Hunger Games movies.

The challenge was to take two chess pieces and create a fantasy world pairing, one light and clean and the other dark and twisted.

Glen’s team took the Knight and King. Wayne sculpted a huge horse head for the knight, and Laura and Glen built up a sick, twisted king. The horse head was excellent, Wayne’s sculpting speed and skill pulled off a huge piece. The King had lots of details in the painting, Glen worked on the face appliance doing lots of prepainting.

Ve took up the Queen and the Rook. She chose the rook, knowing that Roy is the master fabricator to pull off that challenge. She wanted the rook becoming one with his castle, and Roy made a tower piece that draped off the character and supposedly could open and close up, though that wasn’t really demonstrated for us. Ve wanted to do an evil queen, which she dolled up in blacks and reds. She relied heavily on Conor’s sculpting because she said she hadn’t done any in 20 years, but she did some sculpting for the face piece on the rook. She then applied the beauty make up on the Queen. I thought it was a little odd to do an Evil Queen that was clean and beautiful paired with a good Rook that was dirty and damaged.

Neville had to rely heavily on Anthony and Miranda for sculpting, since he also hadn’t done sculpting in a long time. He did some sketches on the computer, and did some shaping and forming, but left a lot of detail work to them. His concept was an alien world, with an evil Bishop with lots of power, and the alter boy pawn. He had some very alien shapes, and tried to make the heads of the aliens show the forms of the chess pieces.

Judging had Lois Burwell and Michael Westmore to comment, but they didn’t do a close up inspection. The reveal was done in the shop instead of the big stage with backdrop, but they had a mocked up set for the characters to stand on.

Voting was then performed by the contestants, they couldn’t vote for themselves. The votes were tallied, we weren’t given a score, but the final gave the win to Neville, Miranda, and Anthony.

The prize was $5000 to the charity of the judge’s choice and an additional $5000 to each of the assistants on the winning team (Miranda and Anthony).

The judges enjoyed the experience, if a bit challenging. Neville had trouble with time management, focusing so much on trying to get the sculpting complete that they almost didn’t get the molds finished and cleaned out by the end of the second day. They were also scrambling to finish the painting much more so than the others.

I think it gives the judges a new perspective on the challenge of the three day builds. Even though Ve is a master at application and Glenn does all of it in his own projects, the three day time frame is a real cruncher.

For myself, I had a hard time calling a winner. I loved the horse, but running through in the last commercial break before the reveal decided it would be Neville. There were lots of good elements on all of them, but I thought those two were the most cohesive set.

I thought it was a fun episode (“Face Off is hard!”), but fundamentally flawed. They weren’t willing to really put the judge’s work under the microscope and critique them. So they just gushed about the designs and ignored any technical details. For example, the last minute painting on Neville’s creations (especially the pawn’s hands) probably would have gotten stern comments from the judges in a normal Face Off.

At least two of the creations – the bishop and the knight – were complete fabrications with little or no makeup and no expressive ability. They were very nicely formed, but I don’t know how they would work in an actual performance. For that reason, I’d probably have given the win to Ve, as both her designs had full emotive ability, although I wasn’t as taken with her queen’s makeup as everyone else seemed to be. And I wish we could have seen the rook go through its paces (Roy kind of got short shrift in this episode – he was picked last and wasn’t given much screen time.)

I thought that was really fun! I liked getting a chance to see the judges’ working styles … I was tickled that I felt my impressions as them as judges actually ended up matching how they work in the studio. And I liked getting the little glimpses of them personally, like Glen talking about his cats, and Ve sort of shrugging off the fact that she hadn’t sculpted in 20 years, but still doing it.

I agree it would have been nice to see some actual critiques of the their work … but given it was for charity, it was pretty much what I was expecting, simply overall praise. That’s ok with me, it is what it is.

The surprising thing to me, though, is that Neville won. I thought he his was the least finished (and they certainly edited the footage to make it seem that way, too), and that his two characters didn’t particularly seem to be from the same world. I didn’t think it quite met the challenge, with one being good and the other evil, because it seemed like the pawn was already too far down the road of being corrupted.

I was torn between Glen’s and Ve’s … and ultimately thought Ve’s was the best, because I liked how her good rook was sort of beaten down but still fighting the good fight, and the evil queen looked elegant and cold.

The thing I liked the most about Glen’s is that, to me, those two characters were very definitely from the same story. The knight and Neville’s bishop were TOTALLY masks, though! (as Finagle mentioned) Ve had two full make-ups going on.

Well, it might have been a game theory Prisoner’s dilemma sort of victory. The participants were voting, so maybe they voted for the one they liked the least, hoping that their design would then win. That would cause third place to rise to the top.

The only thing wrong with this notion is that Face Off is one of the rare reality shows that seems to value quality and integrity above game playing, so I really could see all the participants voting for the designs they really wished they had done themselves. Certainly that’s the way I’d like to believe that it happened.

I really thought Glenn’s approach to the project was top-notch. Ve’s was a bit scatter-brained and Neville’s time management skills were non-existent.

This week’s episode was a real breath of fresh air. Maybe FaceOff could just become the Roy and Laura show. Let’s just watch the two of them do something fun every week.

While I thought all of the work was very good, I felt like Ve’s designs were the least inspired. She did “just another evil queen” like Connor had warned her about. It was good, but it’s been so done before.

I think Neville justly won. While he didn’t prioritize his time the best, he certainly had the most original concept and the best implementation of chess pieces as characters. I did feel like they belonged somewhere in the ALIENS franchise, which is maybe both good and bad.

Excellent point, I kept trying to figure out if somehow the vote was being split, even without any particular intention.

Although I didn’t care much for the king, I loved the knight and thought that Glenn and his team should have won. I wonder if Nevil got the win because of the alien twist he put on the chess pieces.

I found it kind of odd that they didn’t do the Judge’s Close-up Examination.

I guess it was because they all had seen each others work?

I was slightly annoyed that all the two judges for this competition did was gush over everyone’s work and not actually critique it. Glenn, Vi, and Neville should have had a taste of what regular contestants go through, even if this was for charity.