Beki made it clear that since she had immunity, her job was to fulfill Sue’s vision so that Sue wouldn’t go home because of Beki. But that doesn’t mean that Beki checked out. She gave he honest opinion and Sue-Sue went to OTHER TEAMS until she got the answer she wanted. Honestly, what would you have wanted Beki to do? And suppose that Beki told Sue that the body would remain smooth end of story and suppose Sue ends up getting eliminated. Then everyone would be complaining that it was unfair that Sue got eliminated for Beki’s work.
I guaranty that if it had been a solo challenge that Sue’s spider would look exactly like what was put together. And she is sooooooo whiny about everything and passive-aggressive. She needs to be gone soon.
Teams need to go. I had this issues with this show last season and it is sticking in my craw this one as well. Give the poor guys an extra lab day and let them rise and fall on their own merits. If it is a cost issue them just take on fewer contestants.
I agree, but I think its more of a tv-show time issue rather than a production-time issue. You can only highlight so much in a 45-minute show, and if its divided up amongst 10 individual designs, you can’t really show the artistic flair or show the beauty of the individual talents in such short time. You can give each design 3 minutes of highlighting in the show, which then leaves you with 15 minutes for intro activities, and 15 minutes for judging.
It gets better once they get down to 8 people or so.
Trust me, I am not Team Sue on the whole, in fact, I agree she probably should go. But I just think in this case Beki screwed her over by not really being a team mate.
I think the team dynamic is probably important to the whole idea of being a professional special effects make-up person - I’m guessing they work with others almost constantly.
Beki claimed to be letting Sue drive the design, but then insisted on going her own way. So which was it? If she was going to put in her own ideas, she should be able to explain and defend them more than “Your idea looks like crap”. Should Sue have gone to the other teams? I dunno. It’s hard to say what the dynamic is there with what little we see on the show. Same with any reality show. But it’s not the first time competitors have offered genuine advice to one another on this show.
And even once Beki relented and agreed to texture the thing, she textured it poorly, probably as deliberate sabotage, IMHO.
Was 100% in the right… maybe not… but at least to the limit of how the show presented things, I think the bulk of the blame lay with Beki.
I don’t know who was in the right or wrong, but although I’m no fan of Beki’s somewhat aggressive bitch tone, Sue’s ability to whine about absolutely everything is making my teeth itch. Just. Shut. Up.
Other than that, any contestant on any reality show competition has my vote if they don’t complain. The husband and I are both watching Ink Master too and the same thing applies there as here. Gah! You knew what it was when you signed up for it, now just do the work and get noticed for that. Sometimes I don’t see how any of these folks end up as hirable.
Newcomer to the show, only seen the last three episodes.
Beki was a bitch on the last episode. If she really thought that Sue’s ideas were so bad, the “good person” thing to do is to say, “Okay, look, I’m safe this week, so I don’t have to worry about it, but I’m concerned about X, Y, and Z, because A, B, and C. If you really want to go that way, I’ll help you, but I’m telling you now that I think that’s a bad choice.” The “bad person” thing to do is, well, what she ended up doing: start out by doing whatever the hell you want, gripe under your breath when you’re asked to change it, and hang your partner out to dry by saying, “Everything you hate was her idea,” at the judging.
I was really disappointed by this challenge. Pretty much all of the entrees were costumes rather than screen quality makeup. The painted underoos were especially tragic. And most of them had very similar lizard heads.
I don’t think Beki did anything wrong per se, but her attitude really sucked, and she certainly wasn’t at all supportive.
I hate team challenges*, and they aren’t anything at all like real life teamwork, which isn’t in a competitive atmosphere, and in which conflicts are easily handled by having a clear hierarchy.
*There’s one exception, an interior design show where they have one person whose entire job it is to report to judges what each individual’s contributions to the team challenge were.
Then why not just start with 8 in the first place? Team projects are important, but there are better ways of doing it. For example, you could randomly assign the teams then not change them up. Allow them to develop an actual dynamic. As an artist, I know full well how badly a hashed together team can screw a design. A good sculpt can be ruined by a bad paint job, and a great paint job won’t fix shitty sculpting or design. If people are going to be sent packing, it should be on their own merits and not the whims of a randomly picked team member that changes up each week.
Cat whisperer, Make up artists certainly do work with teams on set and in production. The difference is that there is time, a proper design staff, a non competitive structure, and the freedom to use outside materials and self learned techniques. Nobody makes eyeballs for example. You purchase nice glass eyes for creatures and use real eyes from the meat market for gore. Instead of over nighting or locally sourcing that type of product for the creature, they are hashing together stuff from what they have. The time limits are also sort of stupid. It would be better to set a deadline or just a total number of allowable hours and let them work as much or as little as they choose in that period. If someone wants to put in an 18 hr day they should be able to. The point is to make the best makeups.
Really the competition needs more real world direction in the challenges. You could introduce time challenges in certain aspects like sculpting, or a limited resources challenge where everyone gets a box of randomly tossed together crap and has to pull a make up out of it. Perhaps one where the “director” suddenly changes direction, or speeds up the timetable. These are the sorts of real life challenges they will face.
Finally got to see the episode. The werewolf makeup challenge was interesting. Good calls on the judging there.
For the spotlight challenge, that was a curious idea, having to blend a plant and an animal together. Not sure what I would have done there. Once again, I can’t fault the judges. The only real surprise to me was their winner being RJ. They were really impressed with the plant aspects he incorporated. I thought they were leaning toward Ian.
With regards to Beki, I didn’t think she was a bitch at all. She tried to give over to Sue because of her own immunity, which she wouldn’t have done if she didn’t have immunity. Now would it have been better to have more constructive suggestions? Sure. Was she a bit harsh in how she expressed her opinions? Yes. But she didn’t sabotage Sue, she didn’t refuse to do what Sue wanted, she caved on all the design decisions - precisely because she felt that since she had immunity, she shouldn’t constrain Sue. It probably would be better for her to get better interrelation skills - she doesn’t suffer fools gladly, as the phrase goes.
As I see it, if she hadn’t had immunity, she’d have fought harder on every design challenge, including picking the rhino from the get go. I honestly didn’t understand the thing they came up with, and the judges didn’t either. If Beki had contributed more to the thought process, it would have been better for the both of them.
But I do think it was right for her to “throw Sue under the bus”. She truthfully stated that since she had immunity, she took heavy direction from Sue. That is an honest and fair statement, and I’m sure Beki is looking out for her own reputation with regards to the next project and the next one. I don’t know how much their skills reputation from one job to the next the judges are carrying over, but clearly they’re doing some. They eliminated Athena tonight while stating she’s had three big paint jobs and blown them. That means they are not just looking at one event - they’re looking at the person’s skills as a whole. Sure, they judge which team loses by how they do on that event, but picking who they send home takes in their full experience.
Yeah, they made the right call on that. I expected her to be gone before this, but has ridden on better teammates so far. She’s supposed to be this amazing body painter, but their very first challenge the judge said her paint job was poor. The one skill she has and she didn’t get it right out of the bag.
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And he’s done some impressive builds.
You mean the one in the sheet? Or the one in the underoos? Yeah, I think they had planned to do more, but when pressed for time they had to improvise the “pants”. Which was a shame, because the craftsmanship on the head was spectacular.
Amen.
The hostess came in and said to all of them “Not so fast, you’re not done for the night”, so I think it’s the kickoff of the next challenge, not picking on Sue for any special discipline. I think they will let Sue be Sue and measure her on her continued performance. She’ll get kicked off eventually for having a bad build.
That was my immediate reaction when the teams were assigned. I knew whoever had Athena would be at a disadvantage, but seeing it was Tara was saddening. Still, the judges seem to be doing a good job of separating responsibility overall. I don’t think anyone has been sent home for a failure of their teammate.
The judges do a pretty good job of separating who did what. They made clear real quick that they wanted the teams to make clear who did what. Every challenge they ask “who did what”. There’s been a couple cases where I thought they gave too much credit to someone for someone else’s work, but none where someone has been criticized for another’s failures.
I am not a fan of Sue, either, but Beki has some terrible interpersonal skills. She has no idea how to disagree politely, or to consider others’ ideas. She might win this, but I don’t think many people are going to want to work with her.
Agreed on both. She might be the most brilliant s/f makeup artist ever, but she won’t work much if she can’t get along with people.
Lizards often have a ruff behind their heads; it would have been interesting if they have made the orchid into a ruff/orchid hybrid - that could have been very cool and unsettling.
That is an excellent idea! It would have been pretty hard to pull off with the allotted time, but given an extra day to work it out, that would have been phenomenal.
He certainly wasn’t helped by Jerry’s sculpting, but the paint job was his and they sent him home over the cartoony paint job. I’m having a hard time seeing them picking RJ and Ian for doing worse, even though they were the other bottom look team that week, for their zebra shark. The way I see it, it was either Jerry for the sculpting or Nix for the paint, and they thought the paint was worse.
Ummmm. . . Beki did exactly that before Sue-Sue ran around to find someone in the workroom to agree with her. To be honest, I think Beki’s attitude was directed at Sue consulting with other teams so that’s when the petty “If SHE doesn’t want to work in the team structure . . .”
