Face Off: Veterans vs. the Newcomers

I’m not impressed with any of the newcomers. You’d think they would have cast a couple experienced newcomers that could have competed against the veterans.

Maybe things will shift as the season goes on.

So far I’m liking Miranda’s work the best. She’s the only one that doesn’t give us horror monsters every week. Miranda’s characters could be a regular cast member of any sci-fi tv show or move.
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This week, an individual spotlight challenge, creating some creature inspired by “scenes” they find in an old abandoned tunnel.

I’m pretty on board with the judges’ observations this round. Sucks for Roy that he got the wrong foam and ruined his big tentacle form, and couldn’t recover. There’s really the question of how to recover in that situation. Ve’s comment was to focus on one element and do exceptional work rather than haphazardly give a complete creature that is crap.

I agree the purple octopus beast didn’t make any sense, the textures didn’t match anything, and the color choices were weird. I also agree the orange guy was horrible - a lumpy big head, bulbous lumps inconsistently painted, way too orange with no explanation (which he realized when it was happening and didn’t try to fix). Roy had a major fuck up mostly by scrambling to recover. On quality of work this round, he was definitely a bottom look and it’s arguable that he should have gone home. My feeling is they probably recognized the idea he said he started with and considered his past work as a marker of his potential versus what they saw that round. I know it’s supposed to be “what did you do this week?” and I know that’s what Glen was stressing, but in the end you have three dreadful results, how do you sort the worst? I think I would give Roy credit once for prior demonstrated abilities over the new guy with a spotty record.

Also, another huge win for Miranda. She’s really made a come back - great for her.

My one complaint, though, is that they didn’t mention anything about Tate’s creature. On the presentation stage, I thought his looked the most impressive, and was certain he’d be a top looks if not the winner, but then they didn’t even mention it in the close up inspections and he’s just a safe. What happened there?

I have requested that this thread and the other Face Off thread get merged.

caught up on the last two eps last night. Man, I was on tenterhooks for Roy in the last one. Love that guy, and it would have sucked to go home due to one (BIG) goof. Thankfully, there was a whole lotta crap for his turd to float on. That thing with all the teeth and no eyes was amazing, though.

for the previous one:
I didn’t get the love of the piggy. The bacon parts were cute, but the overall look was like a halloween costume cobbled together. I rather liked the crooked man, but there was no whimsy at all in it.

Yes, I find the previews and reveals to be the biggest break of real drama. I want the suspense, I want the surprise, I want to see them working on it and wonder how it comes out. In the past they’ve shown footage from the season finale in the pre-season preview. NUTS! I hate when they drop some of the best comments in the previews, before we’ve seen the work that went in.

Yes. I have it so I typically know when they start getting ready to reveal the top looks, I can fast foward, because Glen will real dramatically say “The winner of this episode of Face Off is…” and then it will go to commercial, followed by a repeat of that dramatic line. I also jump for the remote at the end of each segment when they start the music for “Coming up…”

Aw man… so sorry to see him go, he was one of my favorites. But I can totally understand the judge’s decision. Not only did he not heed the challenge, he didn’t do a good job of not heeding it.

I really like the deer makeup, and Alana’s flower, but they don’t only were ‘safe’ this week. I don’t quite get all the love for Laura’s makeup, but I trust that the judge’s know what they are talking about.

I liked the Mother Nature challenge.

I was sorry to see … what’s his name? RJ? get cut. I thought his execution was very poorly done, but I disagree with the judges that he ignored the challenge. This of course was not helped by the fact that he said he ignored the challenge. But I think it would be possible to do a 1960s goddess figure – this idea of modern day manifestations of gods and goddesses is very big in urban fantasy literature right now, so why not? If something like American Gods is made into a film, that’s exactly what we’re going to see. I wish 1. his design was actually good, and 2. he came out strong and defended his choice.

Personally, I would have sent Scott home. Not only did I think his execution was awful, I never really got his design concept to begin with. EDIT: No, wait, I meant I would have sent Eddie home. Scott’s could have been a safe look for me, it wasn’t great but I didn’t feel it was in the same league of bad as RJ and Eddie.

My own favorite was Roy, but I sort of get how Laura’s was the most technically impressive to the judges. I think Glenn clarified it a bit when he said he would have still been impressed had this been a group project. And in general, Laura is one of my favorites, and while she’s often in top looks, she doesn’t have a ton of wins, so I was glad she got this one.

As for RJ - he was also supposed to incorporate ideas from that garden - and there was very_little of that - otherwise, I actually liked the idea as originally concieved - the execution just didn’t buy it.

When RJ said he wanted to do something different than what he had already done, I can respect that. When he said he wanted to make a retro inspired by his mom picture version, I thought that might be okay. And I agree he could have defended that choice more strongly. But the thing is, the result was horrible.

First, it was just too simplistic. Up against a walking tree, a pregnant tree with a bunny in the belly, and all that, he throws up a lady in '60s outfit with a beehive hairdo. And some insects. GAH! I mean, start with the concept, but he could have executed much better. That had a very Warehouse 13 look like Mrs. Frederic. What if instead of just a '50s beehive hairdo, it had been an actual beehive? And then he ignored the glam makeup element.

The judges also had a very valid point - sometimes you can get hired to do a similar project to something you’ve done before. Can you use your past experience to help you come up with something new, that looks different than your previous work? He could have taken the challenge as a way to show his creativity in reimagining the mother earth goddess. Instead, we got dreck.

So I’m disappointed to see him go, but this season he hasn’t shined quite as much as he did in his last efforts. I feel sorry his model kept wanting to talk while he was trying to apply her face appliances, but ultimately that didn’t factor in.

I was torn with whether they would eject him for failing to take on the challenge, or get rid of Eddie because of his poor execution. I mean, it did not scream feminine sexy goddess, it screamed rubber suit. And then the face was plain embedded in the tree trunk, with no blending, and no sense to the shape. And he didn’t even put some color or something to the face, it was just odd.

Scott’s was very red. I agree with the comments on the tree texture and shape not feeling sexy, and looking more horror. The color scheme didn’t help that aspect.

I did not like the deer face, that did not say “deer” to me. It said “gray alien” like from abduction mythology.

I’m curious what detail they could see in Laura’s work that made them so impressed. From my seat, I would have been equally impressed with the scope of Roy’s work (except with his track record knowing what he can do), and I don’t know how the quality of the paint job was so great. But maybe that’s because they got up close and personal. But I’m happy she won. She did so much superb work in her prior season with very few actual wins to her credit, I’m glad to see her get some recognition. I hope she’s hitting her groove again.

I also liked Miranda’s work this time, though she was only graded “safe”.

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Looking at some of the portfolio submissions that were shown in the first episode, these had some of the best submissions I recall having seen. I think they did get experienced newcomers. It’s just the veterans have a distinct advantage with knowing the timeframe, the ability to scope work, and judge expectations. Looking at prior seasons, it takes a few weeks for the quality and scope of work to shake down. The veterans may have had to shake off some cobwebs, but they were a lot further along that curve. The newcomers had a bigger hurdle of finding the zone.

I am surprised with how Lyma is turning out. Her first couple of efforts weren’t great, and her painting fiasco showed a serious weakness, but her efforts the last couple of weeks have been lots better, getting her a high looks this time for the pregnant tree. Eddie and Scott seem destined to be the next two off, barring fuck ups like RJ this week.

Laney has some ability and could hold out for a while. She got fucked over this week by her model getting sick, cutting short her work time in finishing touches that might have pushed hers to a higher result. Also, the costume screwup left her with a bad skirt. I really liked some of the things she was doing, with the butterfly wings in the face.

Miranda, Laura, and Alana have been doing awesome, and Roy definitely has ability and has avoided the worst of his “build big contraptions” reputation. I don’t know why Tate’s work was dismissed last week.

I just checked, and Wikipedia has this note:

Does anyone know more about that? Is that just a reference to the problems that Laney’s model had, cutting short her time? Or is there something else?

A Halloween challenge… I’m surprised they didn’t do this one closer to actual Halloween.

I really liked Laney’s clown look, even with the melting hair. I think she may have the most talent of all of the newcomers.

When they showed up for the Foundation challenge, everyone had a different stylish box. I was thinking they had to do something inspired by the box. Then we found out it was the thing in the box that mattered. Turned out to be teeth.

I didn’t see how metallic teeth suggested lizard skin, but do think Roy had a great idea for applying scales. A lot of those looked really good.

I was worried for Scott. He got “cartoon teeth”. The guest judge explicitly said two things about the challenge. 1)She wants to see some element of the human in the makeup. 2) Don’t do cartoony. Yet Scott’s teeth are cartoon, so he comes up with a Suessish character.

I really liked Tate’s gross cowboy.

Next came the Spotlight Challenge, remaking a classic Halloween costume into a modern interpretation. Don’t you hate it when you’re the one stuck with the one creature you didn’t want? Poor Miranda stuck with skeleton. Then wasting so much time unable to come up with a concept and how to approach the negative space that a skeleton requires. Yet she managed to come up with a good concept and some brilliant execution with her sculpts. Then she’s unsure about how it all looked.

I’m glad Roy didn’t sit on his immunity, and pushed himself on the challenge. That’s the right attitude. “I’ve got immunity, let’s see what I can do with this challenge to impress the judges, because if I fail in overdoing it, I’m okay.” I did notice he had a female model but the devil looked decidely masculine to me. Also, I noticed the delicate feet and heels didn’t fit the rest of the head and body. And to me, the fake arms didn’t quite look right, but that allowed him to use the real arms for the wings. Also, something about the color scheme was too dark to make it pop, so I agree there with Glenn. But it was good work.

Finally Tate got some cred. This was a good concept and execution.

I’m totally astonished that the judges liked Laney’s clown. I thought the sculpt was odd, the paint job awful, and the cotton candy hair was a fail. I was sure she was going to be the one to keep Scott from going home. Instead, the judges loved it. :confused:

At least this time Eddie’s wasn’t a total mess. His face sculpt was pretty good. The body was a bit of a miss, as it was hard to pick out what it was supposed to be - a bag of straw with crow skeletons in it.

I thought Scott’s was pretty bad. The stretched skin puckers was an interesting concept but a bad execution. The bulbous skull didn’t make sense. I was thinking he’d be sent home, as this was his third Low in a row, whereas Lyma has had two High looks and only one Low. Her vampire did have problems. She had a lot of detail in the face sculpt, but it didn’t really make sense, and neither did the chest part. And then the boney protruberances that had no anatomical reason - (Yes they did, to look scary). I think ultimately what sunk her was her lack of recognition at how bad it was. Still, I would have sent Scott home and gave her another round.

This time Alana did have some issues in her sculpt. The face application was reminiscent of some of her worst efforts from her previous season, with the amorphous Suess character in particular, but also the deformed Alice in Wonderland white rabbit. (Did I mention Scott’s bulbous clown skull?) She was given advice by Michael Westmore but didn’t take it. LISTEN TO THE EXPERT!

From what we’ve seen so far, I expect Scott and then Eddie to be the next two out. Scott has just not been doing good work, and Eddie has struggled with his skills. I would be hard pressed to vote off any of the others if either of those is an option, just on the rest of their performance records. Someone would have to pull an RJ and totally bollux the whole challenge to get sent home before, in particular, Scott. IMO.

Finally, I’m curious about the motivations of some of the veterans on coming back. I can see why Miranda and Alana wanted to do it. Both of them lacked skills and confidence, and both have shown remarkable improvement. I can see why Frank had something to prove, that he’s not an ass and that he takes it seriously now. I can see why Roy wanted another go. He got the judges thinking he was all about big constructions and not focusing on the paintjobs, and he got eliminated in a tight round right before finals. He certainly had a shot at winning, so coming back is a way to demonstrate he’s more than the fabrication guy, he’s well-rounded makeup artist with all the skills. And he’s succeeding in that.

I’m less sure on the reasons that RJ and Laura came back for another round. RJ had a really good run and ended up in the finals. Arguably a couple of his were better than the ones that were given the win. He had a very iconic character in the Burtonesque bellhop. There was little room for him to do better, and a lot of room for him to do worse.

Same thing for Laura. She was superb all season, with good sculpts and great paintjobs, and she was in the finals and just missed the win on probably one of the tightest finals competitions on the show. If she goes on to win this, then it will have been worth the effort, but honestly this is a tight competition and she could easily get eliminated before the finals.

If I’m calling the finals based on current standings and my impression of the judges’ opinions, I would think the final three will be Roy, Miranda, and Laura. Tate has a pretty good shot at it. Laney has a similar record to Tate, even though I didn’t care for this win of hers. Either of them could be a contender. Frank is doing okay but not throwing out the really inspired makeups that those three are giving. If Alana can avoid errors like last night, she’s been doing some very good work as well. But she’s going to have to step it back up like her first three rounds if she wants to make the finals.

  1. Yeah, Tate was the clear winner. Great design and concept.

  2. I’d love to see a web show with the Model reactions. “I was all like… ewww! There’s melted cotton candy running down my back!”.

And to me, Roy has consistently given me my favorite designs.

Yeah, I still want to see Roy’s octopus creature mold made.

Roy has got some great character ideas this time, and he’s had some great techniques for creating good effects. The mold of the female face to transform his male model, the mesh to form scales, others I’m not recalling right now.

I’ve always thought it would be fun if they had a Glen Hetrick flash challenge one week. Each contestant would need to make their model look as close to Glens actual appearance as possible. I’m sure there would be alot of mousse and eyeliner.

I was SO surprised that Laney was in top looks! Her clown looked like a complete mess to me. And I like her in general. And I liked her design when she was starting out. But think her own assessment, that it turned into a complete disaster, was right on. I have no idea what the judges saw in it, unless they were assuming it was supposed to be … a decaying clown? I don’t know.

Given that I know nothing about the technical aspects of being a make up artist, I think Laura is the one person on the show who seems like she could go get a great job doing this for real. Her designs are consistently good, she’s very professional, she seems to really get how something has to go from a solid concept to a practical execution. So yeah, I’m not sure why she’s spending time on the show again.

I wonder if all the other contestants secretly hate Miranda, because man, she’s kind of a whiner … who has a magic touch. It’s almost uncanny.

Ha! To be a little catty, Glen Hetrick and I are about the same age, so I totally get how his particular “look” came about based on what was cutting edge and cool. Now though, sometimes I feel like yelling “how does a grown ass man get up in the morning and look in his closet and think ‘oh yeah, this is what I’m wearing today’”?

I think they totally did think it was supposed to be a decaying clown. She’s got patches sewn on her skin. They said something similar for what Scott should have done. So maybe the decaying hair helped their conception.

Well, most of these people are already getting jobs doing this for real, the distinction is what level of the industry of “special effects make up” those jobs are falling. Is it local haunted house, small TV production, independent film, major TV network, major motion picture, or leading a major motion picture team? I think they all aspire to the latter, but some are currently more suited for the first.

My guess is she feels that winning would be enough of a reputation builder it’s worth coming back. That just seems an odd evaluation to me.

This episode certainly emphasized her lack of self confidence. I don’t know how much of this came from this particular challenge, where she struggled with a concept for how to approach a skeleton as make up. Clearly her skills are dramatically better than before, and her sculpts have become works of art.

Even among those who already work in the field, there are plenty of talented and successful people who specialize too much to stand alone on the show. For example, if you’re a master at sculpting, you can easily find work as part of a team where someone else does the concept and a third person does the painting. But on FaceOff, your master sculpting is only going to get you to week five or six… eventually, they’ll send you home because the painting and concepts aren’t strong enough.

Yes, that’s very true. People have to have all the skills, not just part of them. Someone can have a great career being the best at one part of the task and still not be able to succeed on this show.

I think the goal is that in order to be a great project leader like Glenn and Ve and Neville, you have to know how to do all the elements so that you can oversee the whole team doing the work. If the paint job isn’t right, you can tell and direct it to be done better.

The best moment on TV would be if they have to create a fusion of two horror archtypes using witch, zombie, vampire, frankenstein’s monster, mummy, etc. and someone makes their model look exactly like Glenn. It may even win.