Woulda been nicer if they’d ensnared him before he was re-elected for another six years.
“We oppose any attempt to undermine the public’s faith in the ultimate results of the 2020 presidential election. We hereby withdraw the documents we executed on December 14, 2020, and request that they be disregarded by the public and all entities to which they were submitted.”
And the chair of the Republican Party Of Wisconsin has thrown Trump under the bus, at least ‘officially’.
“The Wisconsin electors were tricked and misled into participating in what became the alternate elector scheme and would have never taken any actions had we known that there were ulterior reasons beyond preserving an ongoing legal strategy,” Hitt said.“I will not be supporting Trump in 2024. We have serious problems facing this country and we need a President who will not repeat 2020 and will focus on tackling those difficult issues.” Hitt also said he was been cooperating with the state Department of Justice since December 2022.
It seems odd that they’d let this go for something as simple as a public apology and a promise not to be an elector in the future. I haven’t looked at (or looked for) the actual settlement, but it seems like there has to be more to it than just that.
The WaPo article on this said they also agreed to work with the Justice Dept on any investigation.
Well, that make a whole lot more sense then. Another nail in Trump’s coffin.
I hope you are right.
But I’m afraid that before Trump gets put into a coffin, he’ll be back in the White House for four years.
Perhaps they could prop him up in front of the White House in a coffin like this.
Nevada’s ‘fake electors’ are being indicted:
A grand jury indicted six Republicans who “falsely represented themselves as state electors,” Attorney General Aaron Ford announced Wednesday, less than a month after reports first emerged the state was investigating the scheme.
The electors face charges of offering a false instrument for filing and uttering a forged instrument, according to the Washington Post, which carry potential penalties of between one and five years in prison and maximum fines of $10,000 and $5,000, respectively.
Depending on your level of trust in the individuals involved, quite a few of the fake electors say they were “tricked” or “misled” to believe they were recruited to be alternate electors only in the case of pending court cases being decided in trump’s favor.
Pennsylvania did change the preprinted forms they were given to include verbiage to this effect before signing them. Maybe one other state, as well?
I have no doubt that some were dyed in the wool trump roadies, others were probably fooled into agreeing, and still others refused to sign at all. I can’t recall the specifics now, but recall an article with an interview with a potential republican elector who noped the hell out of there and warned her colleagues not to get involved. They didn’t listen.
See, these are the only ones I have respect for. These aren’t office birthday cards they were signing their name to. They were legally binding documents they were signing their names on, and they were committing fraud against the federal government by signing them and then trying to appear before congress as their states designated electors. In the very best possible light, they are entirely unfit for their jobs if they were “tricked” or “misled.”
Just an update. The Wisconsin AG filed charges against Chesebro and Troupis.
Forgery, fairly minor. I’d assume that this is one of the states where they added the disclaimer that the alternate vote had no binding power? Either that or Wisconsin is short on applicable laws and should probably bone up their legislation to handle this sort of case better.
It seems like some of the feds might (finally) be getting interested. Darren Green was seen in uniform on video calmly preventing the fake electors from getting into the Michigan Senate.
On the fourth day of preliminary examinations for six Republicans whose names appeared on the false certificate in Michigan, Capt. Darren Green of the Michigan State Police, said he had been interviewed Thursday by someone from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and two U.S. prosecutors from Washington, D.C.
I hope the dastardly Ron Johnson ends up involved in a “defendant” kind of way.
The above tweet is the response to the news from Wisconsin’s Governor.
I believe Pennsylvania was the only state with the disclaimer. The Wisconsin electors have been pretty vocal about being deceived by the campaign and Chesebro. Apparently, the emails and texts made them believe they were signing forms only as a backup to be used in the event the courts intervened and declared Trump the winner. Thus, the masterminds are being charged, and not the individual electors.
You know, at the time that fake elector bullshit was going on, I just thought “How in the FUCK is this ok???”
It’s good to see that I was not alone.
Just for a bit of context:
[‘Pearce’ is James Pearce, Assistant Special Counsel for the Department of Justice]
““[T]he defendant stands alone in American history for his alleged crimes,” Pearce wrote. “No other president has engaged in conspiracy and obstruction to overturn valid election results and illegitimately retain power.””
“Pearce also cited a list of historical elections referenced by Trump’s legal team in their own filings, as Politico noted. These elections, which included those from 1800 and 1960, saw controversies surrounding slates of electors at their core.”
“Notably absent from any of these historical episodes, however, is any attempt by any person to use fraud and deceit to obstruct or defeat the governmental function that would result in the certification of the lawful winner of a presidential election,” Pearce concluded. “The existence throughout history of legitimate electoral disputes does not validate the defendant’s corrupt and dishonest actions any more than the existence of legitimate investment offers validates the creation of a criminal Ponzi scheme.”
Trump’s ‘alternate electors’ were also NOT ‘duly elected and qualified’ Electors. They were party loyalists and stooges. That’s why so many of them are currently under indictment for Fraud.
I don’t understand how they thought they would get away with such a scheme. Presumably there is some designated official who declares the result and issues the necessary certification to the winner(s) - so how could anyone expect that turning up with their own piece of paper would have any effect?
They didn’t necessarily need for the fake electors to be accepted. They just needed to introduce enough confusion to throw the election to the House, where Republicans had a majority of state delegations.
ABC News chief Washington correspondent Jonathan Karl reported that on New Year’s Eve 2020, White House chief of staff Mark Meadows sent a memo drafted by Trump attorney Jenna Ellis to a top Pence aide containing a detailed plan to overturn the election results. The plan entailed Pence returning the electoral results to six battleground states on January 6, with a deadline of January 15 for the states to return them. If any state did not return their electoral slate by that date, neither Trump nor Biden would hold a majority, so the election would be thrown to the House for a vote to determine the winner. Per the Constitution, in such a scenario the vote would be conducted on the basis of party control of state delegations to the federal House of Representatives, with Republicans holding 26 of 50, presumably giving Trump the victory.
If not for Pence’s refusal to play along, it might have worked.
I get it now, thanks.