Classic Conservation of Ninjitsu problem. One super soldier by himself is an unstoppable threat. Half a dozen super soldiers together are a bunch of easily defeated mooks. That’s why they needed Sam to help arrest that lone super soldier who fell out of the helicopter - with all the other super soldiers arrested, he was incredibly dangerous.
Dammit! It’s so obvious once you point it out! How could I have forgotten the Inverse Ninja Law?!
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The Serum doesn’t make you bulletproof, and that many cops + Bucky and Value City Cap was a no-win situation. Why not give up?
Yes, Zemo’s a hero-killer with realistic goals and not totally nuts. He respects Bucky and knows Walker is ruined, so why not kill the other Flags?
Sam used his backpack and drones to hold up the truck. Slightly more realistic, but I’d have liked it better if he and Walker had worked together to hold up the truck.
Well that was certainly an uneven mini series. It was nice that Isiah got his recognition and I liked how at the end the subtlety changed the title to Captain America and the Winter Soldier. I guess Sharon is the big bad in season 2.
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Because they’ve fought armed opponents before. And in the MCU, even un-powered characters, like Black Widow and Hawkeye, routinely mop the floor with cops and soldiers. And these cops even got into arms reach, aka “Please take my gun from me and beat me unconscious with it” position. Not to mention, surrounding them like that just means if the cops open fire, they’re going to hit each other.
Honestly, it didn’t bother me that much from a character perspective. At that point, it seemed like those characters may have realized Karli’s plans didn’t really make much sense, and were willing to give up even though they could have fought their way out. It just seemed so at odds with how everyone had been treating them up until then. But, as @Miller pointed out, I had forgotten the Inverse Ninja Law…
No, I get that Zemo thinks the world would be better off if no one had powers. That’s his whole thing. But, it just seemed really random to kill those specific powered people, who were about to be put away for life anyway. If he has the power to orchestrate a hit on people under close guard like that while he himself is in a maximum security prison, why hasn’t he been waging an assassination campaign against all the powered people in the world this whole time? Why did he pick them, and not Wanda and Black Panther and Spider-Man and Ant-Man and Wasp and…
Right, and if he had used the suit’s wings to brace the truck, I wouldn’t have minded. But he’s clearly shown holding the truck’s front grill with his bare hands, using his arms to support the weight. I get that his jet pack is providing the thrust, but he’s still holding the truck himself.
I agree, though, that the scene would have both been more believable, and I think narratively and dramatically much better, if he and Walker had had to cooperate. That’s actually such an obvious approach that I seriously wonder if the writers actively rejected it as too trite…
I would have much preferred Captain America and Bucky or at least the White Wolf, since he is very much not the Winter Soldier anymore and that was the whole point of his arc.
Basically. Zemo doesn’t like enhanced humans. He wanted to destroy the Avengers in revenge for the destruction of Sokovia and wants to destroy super soldier serum and super soldiers. He sees enhanced people as a danger to everyone else.
He only grudgingly concedes Steve Rogers and later Bucky Barnes aren’t so bad.
So yes, after destroying the serum, from Zemo’s viewpoint the next step is to destroy the supers. He doesn’t care if he dies doing it, and being imprisoned doesn’t matter either. He’s lost his family and his country, what more can be done to him?
Yep. Super soldiers aren’t bullet proof. Fancy that. Iron Man’s suit is actually a better way to go about making a better soldier.
How do you know that’s not in his future plans? He’s sort of a baddie that keeps on giving…
His arms… in a Wakanda supersuit, along with his flight engine and his two drones. Yeah, sort of lost me, too, even with fanwanking.
Actually…that’s a good point which I hadn’t considered. The suit might actually enhance his strength or the arms and gauntlets might be able to lock into place or something. With comic book physics, anyway, that actually seems plausible. Objection provisionally withdrawn.
Well, Black Panther (and Widow) would be tough, but the rest I grant you as targets.
On the whole I agree the finale was underwhelming. Batroc is sadly dead and I don’t like Sharon as a bad guy with so little buildup. Also Walker snapped out of his madness a little too easily. Too many long speeches IMHO. And how did he get Isaiah’s stuff in the museum that easily?
Probably told them the alternative was him going public about the whole thing.
Yeah, the Wakandan tech is pretty damn advanced, they can probably build something on par with an Iron Man suit, but less bulky and that looks cooler. Certainly, Sam took some hits in that fight that make it clear to me that at the very least the suit is body armor. And the wings must be vibranium or something, to deflect a falling helicopter the way they did at one point.
Aerodynamically, the Falcon suit, and the Cap suit, never have had sufficient surface area to support a man in flight. They fly utilizing that “jet” pack or whatever powers it, the wings are basically fancy directional control. Pretty much NONE of the flying in the MCU adheres to real physics in our world. At least with Doctor Strange and the like you can say “a wizard sorcerer did it”
Eh, I don’t buy they’d comply. “Go public about what?” Or just disappear Bradley again.
Zemo never expected to survive the events of Civil War, so he probably didn’t have the necessary arrangements in place to carry out his war against super humans from prison. After Bucky breaks him out, he figures there’s a pretty good chance Bucky won’t just execute him, so he takes the time to get everything he needs in place to still order hits while inside prison.
I think the biggest clue that Sharon Carter is a Skrull is the disguise she wore when she first appears in this episode. It was wholly unnecessary, so therefore hints at something.
It was necessary while traveling, not once she got there.
It was wholly necessary. She’s a wanted fugitive. And a pretty high profile one - former high level SHIELD agent and former CIA agent who went rogue during the super hero Civil War, added and abetted Captain America when he went rogue…And she’s not only returning to the U.S. where she’s wanted for treason, she’s infiltrating a heavily secured area full of heavily armed personnel with itchy trigger fingers looking for anyone who might be hostile.
On the other hand, she then proceeds to wander around the GRC HQ without the disguise, including openly interacting with security personnel, so…you might have a point, there.
That is, indeed, my point.
On the gripping hand…the Mission Impossible mask reveal really seemed more like a throwaway cool superspy moment that also concisely dealt with questions about how she got back into the U.S. and through the security cordon around the GRC than any sort of clue to something deeper. Frankly, unlike say WandaVision, nothing in Falcon and the Winter Soldier seemed that tightly plotted.