I get what you are saying, and even agree to an extent, but the thing is these folk in this caravan are planning to file for asylum as far as I know. They aren’t jut migrants looking to immigrate in the normal way, they are pretty much refugees seeking asylum from the sort of domino effect of bad shit happening in their area. And with several other nations in the region also melting down or having refugee situations of their own to deal with, especially because of Venezuela, this is a situation we really need to get a handle on. Optimally, what we SHOULD have been doing is helping the regional governments with the issues they are having, especially the melt down in Venezuela, so that we wouldn’t have this sort of mass refugees at our border thingy, but since we didn’t do that we need to step up and start figuring this shit out.
They are supposed to apply at the border of the first country them come to. You don’t get to keep on going until you get to your preferred country. If that is not the case, we’ll bring them right up to the Canadian border and drop them off.
This former illegal (became legal thanks to Saint Reagan and then later became a citizen) that had to flee the civil war in El Salvador, is telling you what many are actually saying: sure, if they do not have reasons to ask for asylum they should be stopped. The problem now is that we have an administration that would had been happy to live during the nationalistic administrations of the past, the ones that usually denied entry to “other” people, like the Jews. They are finding more creative ways to deny asylum to many who deserve it before.
And… as a Democrat now too, I can say that Democrats are saying a lot of what I said already in this and other threads, but the right wing sources of information continue to tell many that they are not saying anything.
:channeling MAGAbot:
They will vote Democrat!!!
Democrats have repeatedly attacked “old, white men” which is definitely a racist position to take. Even the old, white men who run the Democrat Party have condemned old, white men for being out of touch. (I’m surprised that Democrats still keep their old, white men around. Maybe Democrat voters will rectify that situation in the next election?)
It’s certainly a valid concern that conceding anything to Trump in theory may encourage him to do inhumane things in practice. I still think kicking Trump off this horse and taking reins of the narrative could only help the Democrats. Perhaps Democrats are saying what I’ve recommended - just not loudly enough.
This isn’t just about responding to accusations. This is a red hot political issue with a countdown that may require a response in the near future.
Regarding Republican lying - sure they do and you may not believe them but there is a decent chunk of the population who isn’t as informed as you.
The crux of your argument (or concern) is that you think Democrats aren’t responding to this one particular accusation, but you seem to indicate that you think they have responded to others.
Basically, what I’m saying is: the Democrats don’t have to jump just because the Republicans want them to. Why not try characterizing it as a show of strength and confidence and exasperation with nonsense instead of as a capitulation to ridiculous accusations?
Which is why I gave you two questions to ask next time you encounter such a person: force them to justify their opinion with the facts that they think they know. If they give you answers and don’t think they sound ludicrous when spoken out loud, their lost to logic & reason and prolly even casual conversation.
But in all this, you’d rather whine about perceived failings of the Democrats than the actual failings of the Republicans, right? You think it’s more productive to get the Democrats to dance to the Republican’s tune than vice-versa.
Cite?
Anyone notice a slight logical flaw here?
…no?
He’s saying, if it is the case, they can stay in Mexico; but if it’s not the case, and they can instead go from Mexico to the US, then we can instead shoo them from the US into Canada. So it maybe looks like an inconsistency on a quick glance, but he’s just saying he’ll act in accord with Case A or Case B: whichever one is in effect.
Since 1986, the federal government has spent 263 Billion dollars on border enforcement.
Imagine if this money was used to help economies in troubled Central American Countries. And the people had jobs, food and housing. Would there be a need for a wall? Is there a wall between Canada and the US? No, because there is no need.
These people don’t want to leave their family and friends and home country. But, they are being forced to leave.
Of course there would be 40,000 Border patrol agents and 10,000 ICE people out of work. But maybe they could plant flowers.
I don’t recall whining but I do recall you implying that there is no use in ever responding to Republicans because they lie. Way to roll over and give up.
:rolleyes:
Sure, pal.
Except we’ve all seen already how deep and accurate your analysis of things goes: not at all.
BTW, did you think we wouldn’t notice that you didn’t actually respond to my post, just to the word “whine”. I’m sure the Democrats appreciate your concern for their plight. :rolleyes:
In fact, you’re now wasting time arguing with me over nonsense instead of arguing that Republicans are bad. In fact, I’ve never seen you make a case for Republicans to change, only for Democrats.
Who’s side are you on? :dubious:
Good luck with that.
Aid has (almost) nothing to do with this. Latin American countries suffer because of endemic corruption. No significant Latin American problem has been solved with aid. Nicaragua is almost in a civil war, that’s the issue. Also, at what point does aid become “meddling with the intenral politics”? The US has also done plenty of that.
Playing the “asylum” card means that there is the option of turning people away, don’t you agree?
What should the US do regarding those who don’t qualify?
Soylent Brown?
Don’t make me drag out my bad Charlton Heston impression. :mad:
Og knows, if it were found out that one of these migrants could throw a forty-yard pass with pinpoint accuracy, every NFL franchise would be fighting over the privilege of sending limousines below the border equipped with hookers and blow. :rolleyes:
Turn them away the ones whose legitimate asylum petitions we don’t accept.
Just because they because they happened to show up on that side of the Mexican border wanting to live in the US doesn’t obligate us to take them in, any more than me deciding that I want to live in the UK, and I just happen to show up there.
Yes, 800+ active duty troops, to deploy on American soil! To protect us from the imminent threat posed by the caravan that is about to reach our border! It’s a crazy deep, dire threat to the United States! We have to defend ourselves NOW!
MY GOD THEY’LL BE HERE ANY MINUTE! HURRY UP, TROOPS! GO! GO! GO!
Donald Trump is an ignorant fear-mongering jackass.
I believe NPR said they would be engineers. It is illegal for US troops to serve in a police action on US soil. Perhaps they will build a large fence.
Either that, or he just hopes we are. Keep in mind, these people believe, right down to their toes, that they are the real majority. Or they are the majority of “real” Americans. Patriots. Good news is, they aren’t blaming hippies any more. So, there’s that.