Families separated at the Border - effects upon the Midterms?

The effects were no less traumatizing, regardless of the intentions behind it. Trump wants to scare mothers and their kids. Obama wanted to use deportation to further his political goals. One is worse than the other, but it’s not a huge difference in degree.

Not interested in helping to turn this into another Obama bashing thread. Doesn’t that ever get old for you?

Obama himself is kinda old hat for me. His supporters who think he was a great President despite doing things they call inhumane and cruel, that’s still a sore spot. :slight_smile:

And he did actually imprison mothers with their children as a deterrence measure, which caused the courts to smack him down, something which was disturbingly routine during his administration.

Also not interested in helping to turn this into another Obama bashing thread. Doesn’t that ever get old for you?

Those children are not all back with their “partners”. Some of them are dead. Some of them were pulled, screaming and crying, from their parent’s arms, put into horrendously abusive situations, and killed. Some of those parents will never see their children again. Some of those parents will never know what happened to their children. Their last memory of their children will be of uniformed officials pulling them, crying, from their arms. Some of those children suffered (and are currently suffering) abuse that they will never recover from.

First, I don’t think you entirely grasp the chronological nature of time.

Second,reality seems to disagree with your opinion. Don’t let that stop you, though; you’re on a roll.

Melania must be absorbing tone-deafness from her dear husband. Boarding a plane for a visit to a child detention center, she wore a coat with the words “I DON’T REALLY CARE- DO U?”

Some of the hatred isn’t “racist” but “voterist.” New immigrants who become citizens are less likely than the redneck base to fall for Republican lies.

Bartender, give me whatever adaher’s drinking! :stuck_out_tongue:

There are a lot of people with surprising expectations of what a 19 month knows.

“What is your mother’s name?”
“Mama?”
“Judge, I ask you find the defendant unresponsive.”

What’s your estimate on the number of people who would come here if we opened our gates to all?

A LOT of people want to move to the US:

Gallup says 138 million people want to move to the US.

I want a Ferrari. Although I could afford one, I will never buy one, because wanting and doing are different things. (Which may be why we use different words for them.)

So? That would increase our population by a little less than 50%, assuming every single one of them follows through. (And in the post-Trump era, I believe they wouldn’t). That still wouldn’t put us at even a quarter of the population density of most European countries, and would dramatically increase our labor force, tax base, and economy. We’d probably have to spread them out over a few years logistically, but it would be no big deal at all.

Texas is a state that is becoming increasingly in play for Democrats. Don’t get me wrong: I understand that it’s still a red state and it would take a lot for a Democrat to win a statewide election. But the Bushes have understood for a long time that winning in Texas means not angering the Latino vote. Trump is endangering Republicans there, as he is in Arizona.

Last summer, Trump’s nadir was Charlottesville. South Texas is the Charlottesville of 2018.

For comparison: Uganda has taken in 19 registered refugees for every 100 citizens, plus an unknown number of unregistered refugees. And they’re not putting them in camps: They’re giving them the same sort of housing that most Ugandans have, intermixed with the citizens. If Uganda can do that, why can’t we? Are we not great enough?

That’s really interesting — thanks for that info (I’m not being snarky). Obviously there are huge differences between the two countries*, but still, it’s useful to know.

*Also, Uganda borders Congo, where two of the bloodiest wars in the last 100 years took place, peaking two decades ago.

Maybe an analogy would be 1910-1920, when Mexico was suffering a civil war. Did migration to the US spike then? I don’t know — I’ll try to find out.

Migration from Mexico did increase during the 1910-20 Revolution, but still at low levels compared to recent decades — from a few thousand per year to around 10,000 per year (and then to around 20,000 per year in the 1920s).

Butthe numbers might have been quite a bit higher— there’s no way to know.

In any case, a LOT of Mexicans stayed put, even when their country was in a civil war, and the borders WERE open.

Come again, comrade?

Most of the refugees in Uganda now are actually from South Sudan, not the Congo.