Reading a Jonah Goldberg book is on my list, I swear. It’s just way down below “build full-size Taj Mahal out of used chewing gum” and “naked cuddle party with honey badgers.”
You must be new, in reality even historians did rip Jonah Goldberg a new one years ago:
As I posted in a different older thread: that link is only a part of many historians that replied to Goldberg and this silly idea, as pointed before, virtually all Europeans that experienced living under fascists know that they were not the friends of liberals or leftists.
If fighting with socialists makes you not on the left then the communists in Russia and the anarchists in Spain were not on the left. What did Stalin do leftists and liberals?
The reason the fascists got rid of the unions was the same reason the soviet communists did. Under fascism there was a state controlled union every worker was forced to join. So instead of saying that the Nazis got rid of unions it is just as accurate to say that union membership was compulsory. Businesses who did not cooperate with the national union could be taken away from their owners.
You need to take it with Goldberg, what you miss is that for simplifying things like that is that Goldberg was called a hack by the serious historians.
@Bryan Ekers, see earlier post for what I believe is fascist. Liberalism seeks tyranny because it’s adherents are attempting to use both psychological and physical violence to force it upon the masses! Liberalism as practiced in the US, ostracizes any opposing or differing ideology outside their own. Liberals desire a Left based totalitarian regime. Liberals have been attempting to control media communications by using it as propaganda to control the narrative, wherein they portray anything Conservative in a negative light, while expounding Liberal viewpoints in the positive, even when they are not. At times embracing and promoting falsehoods to the masses. Liberalism is fascist and exclusive rather than inclusive.
This is a good description of the fantasy-world liberals that reside in the imaginations of many radio hosts, but not of real world liberals. Fortunately, there are lots of real world liberals on this message board, and we’d be happy to help you learn about how liberals in the real world actually think. Please ask us questions! We want to help you learn!
What did the historians with a sense of humor call him?
The problem is that your serious historian made an easily refuted claim. If they have other claims that are not easily refutable, maybe you should try those.
Fascist labor unions like communist labor unions represented the government and not the workers. It has nothing to do with whether the ideology is leftist or not. In fact the government taking over private enterprises and using them for state purposes is usually associated with leftist governments.
Do you live in Bizzaro World? Because you are describing conservatives perfectly, not liberals.
The Tea Party perfected the art of primarying any conservative candidate who did not adhere to their specific dictums. And it worked…a lot of incumbent republicans were kicked out of office. How many liberals were sent packing because they failed some litmus test? Even today Grover Norquist stomps up and down the halls of congress with “The Pledge” from his Americans for Tax Reform that he arm twists republican members of congress to sign and woe to the person who doesn’t.
Physical violence writ large is almost exclusively the province of conservatives. Witness the treatment by the police of Occupy Wall Street folks. Or the massacre at Kent State or any of numerous times union strikes have met with extreme violence. I cannot think of anything similar happening to conservative protestors.
And when it comes to demonization of the other side in the media conservatives have that market cornered. Go watch Alex Jones (president Trump watches him). Or read Breitbart news. Or listen to Rush Limbaugh. There is nothing comparable on the left that have anywhere near the listener/reader numbers that those do.
I think the Sandroids are just demanding that liberal candidates actually be liberal rather than the corporatists, can barely tell them apart from conservatives, that so many have become.
“The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That’s the only difference.” ~Ralph Nader
How many Republicans were kicked out of office by the Tea Party. Around 5 in the Congress. That is not alot.
Physical violence is very common among liberal protesters. There are the violent protests to Milo in Berkeley, the Middlebury college protesters who assaulted the professor, the violent protests in Ferguson, etc.
I don’t think the TP had any litmus test. They did tend to oppose career politicians.
The Democrats ousted 2 sitting senators in primaries (Lieberman and Specter) in recent memory; I don’t know if there were congresspeople ousted too, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
In general, it would appear that leftists are far more prone to violence against those who oppose them than rightists. This is manifested on the international scene, where far-left groups are among the leading causes of terrorist-related deaths, and here in America, as you can see from the anti-Trump supporter violence since his candidacy took off.
I think you’ll need a cite for this claim (especially about international terrorism caused by “leftists”, unless “leftist” is twisted to the point that anyone not in the US Republican party qualifies). My impression would be that the opposite is true internationally, while in the US, there has historically been far, far more “rightist” violence (Jim Crow, the KKK, etc.), and in recent times it’s been somewhat equivalent amounts from both sides.