Are we moving toward fascism?

A friend sent me a disturbing article the other day. The author first defines fascism:

then goes on to make the case that while we were on the road to fascism under Bush, signs that we’re just about all the way there have appeared. No it isn’t because of Obama. The author claims democracies turn fascist when a desperate minority realizes it can’t get its way through the democratic process, and resorts to disrupting the democratic process itself.

The author argues that the tipping point of fascism occurs when conservative elites sanction a thuggish base to achieve their goals through extra-democratic means. For example, the teabaggers (organized by conservative elites), and the organized efforts to disrupt town hall meetings are the sign that we’re at the deciding moment where the minority is either suppressed or tears down democracy:

My question is: is there any merit to the author’s theory, or is it alarmism? It is hard for me to imagine the Republicans taking things so far, but OTOH I’ve been surprised at their churlish negativity…

Also- I haven’t been following Truthout, so I don’t have an opinion on whether or not they are a reputable source. Are they?

Well, this mob-disruption stuff is scary- but it isn’t that scary. With the 24-hour news cycle and cellphone cameras everywhere, mob political violence can only be harmful to a viewpoint.

Depends on the economy. When the pie really shrinks fascism is one of the plays traditional monied elites in Europe and South America use to avoid sharing.

Whether it’s still a practical play is open to question but the USA does seem to have more than its fair share of right-wing no-nothings.

I don’t see that at all. The LEADING media outlets are behind this. This is not fringe any longer. The mobs simply will not believe anything they hear unless it’s from Fox or Limbaugh. No amount of fact checking or reasonable debate will make these people change their mind. Meanwhile, the more the administration fights it the more fuel it gives the mob. I’ve been around a long time and I have never seen anything like it. The anti-war protesters in the 60s never had this much influence. If asked, there will be a million people in Washington to fight any sort of progressive agenda. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the RW equivalent of the Weathermen any minute.

Unlike hippys/anti-war types who tended to be outside the mainstream, the new mob goes to the same churches and lives in the same communities as people of more moderate viewpoint. I don’t think they can be so easily marginalized like we were back in the 60s when we were easily identified and dismissed because we had long hair.

The only thing I can see that will turn this around is if Bin Laden is captured.

It’s amazing. When the left does anything, it’s healthy. When the right shows up to protest massive, poorly-thought-out changes done on a huge sector of the economy, it’s incipient signs of fascism. When the left seeks out public forums and sirupts them, it’s robust democracy. When the right attends open townhalls with questions lefty legistlators can’t honestly answer, it’s fascism. Who knew?

How prevalent are these teabaggers actually? As a foreigner it seems more like a tempest in a tea pot. Something that’s over when the people participating get bored of being outraged.

So people protesting Bush are the very definition of democracy. The highest form of patriotism is protest and dissent, right?

The people protesting deficits and national health care are fascism. But what about the “highest form of patriotism” and all that? What happened to that?

OK, I get it. When you agree with protesters they are good. When you disagree with them, they are bad, very bad.

When the left threatens violence and won’t let an anti-illegal immigration person speak, that’s just “no free speech for fascists!”.

If the right were to do that it’d be the end of the country.

No one is allowed to criticize the Messiah and his ideas. Anyone who does is by definition a jerk, illegitimate (because the Messiah can’t be wrong), and now, officially, a fascist.

In some ways I see your point. Everyone has the right (and obligation) to protest. I see a big difference in this because of the way it is being organized by lobbying firrms, and abetted by very large media outlets. The teabag protests were not only covered by Fox, they helped organize them, then used their news division to lie about how many people went to them. Did you ever think that staid, old Wall Street Journal would be owned by the same company that brought tabloid-style news to the US?

When the right shows up to deliberately disrupt proceedings, rather than participating in them, perhaps.

The majority of the antiwar protesters were sensible. Some, like the ones who tried to block off a Marine Corps recruiting office (in San Francisco?) were not.

How are they deliberately disrupting anything? Asking questions and registering their disapproval is deliberately disruptive?

What about on collegel campuses where conservatives are invited to speak and heckled, shouted down, threatened, etc. and can’t even speak? Is that democracy in action or fascism? Well I guess conservative=fascism so by definition it’s anti-fascism, right?

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11405860&postcount=1

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) *over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called “fascism” [after “fasces”, the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome].

Mussolini came to power after the “March on Rome” in 1922, and was appointed Prime Minister by King Victor Emmanuel.

In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism.
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This is the guy who schooled Hitler, Peron and a host other idolators. He taught them all the dirty and brutal tricks, many of which we see being used round the world and not a few by the US itself, to say the least.

I think this hits close to home. What do you think.?

I don’t think the rest of the country will let that happen. The wingnuts are going to do something stupid and the mushy middle will turn against them. I believe this because of the way the country reacted to Sarah Palin: the more they found out how crazy she was, the more they abandoned her (I’ll look for polling if anyone wants it). This should play out similarly. Undecideds will see folks shouting down politicians, drawing Hitler comparisons, and generally being idiots, and they’ll run away. I don’t think you can have a fascist coup without the middle either supporting or at least not opposing. The center may not come to the liberal Dems, but it won’t go anywhere near the crazies*.

*- Really, I think the situation is ideal for the Blue Dogs and moderate Republicans. They may not formally start a new party, but they could end up teaming up to have a center-right coalition.

Asking questions is not fascist. Shouting down the congressperson hosting the townhall, or others trying to express themselves rationally is fascist. Do you not see the difference?

These mass protesters, aside from issuing at least one death threat, are preventing discussion at all. IMHO, the reason the health bill is poorly thought out is because of what happened when a well thought out bill was presented to congress in 1993.

Leaving that all aside, check out this column from yesterday’s New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/opinion/09ehrenreich.html. What Barbara Ehrenreich is saying is that increasingly communitities are making homelessness illegal, resulting in jail time. In some cases billing them for upkeep and then putting them in jail again for non-payment, putting them on a treadmill from which they cannot possibly escape. I don’t know if that satisfies the definition of fascism (a word that is thrown around rather freely), but it is highly unfriendly. Generally, psople spend entirely too much time minding other people’s business.

It’s not tea baggers who are getting arrested for causing trouble. If there’s any fascism going on it’s the use of unions as brown shirts to intimidate and attack people who do nothing but ask questions at meetings or pass out literature. Not only is this behavior not being investigated, it’s being marginalized by the MSM with quotes from Nancy Pelosi. It’s ironic that her statements about protestors carrying swastikas went unchallenged but when union thugs get arrested at a political rally for assault it gets almost no mention and zero follow-up. This was ORGANIZED union behavior at a political rally. This followed instructions from the White House to Democrats to “punch back twice as hard”. While nobody thinks this was meant literally it is disturbing to hear this kind of rhetoric in response to citizens who speak their mind. Add to that an official government website to turn people in who disagree with Obama’s health plan and you have the mindset of a leader who thinks we are accountable to his desires.

Right now Geitner is asking Congress to increase the national debt limit and Pelosi’s response
to this money crisis is to double the request for government VIP jets. All the tea-baggers want is for their representatives to spend their tax money wisely and for this Nancy calls them un-American. I’m appalled by her behavior, A party that uses unions as muscle, and a President who thinks any opposition needs to be reported to government officials.

Interestingly, in the Political Compass threads some years ago, I asked our friend Brutus whether he would be comfortable with the label ‘fascist’. He replied that yes, he felt that strongly right-wing, authoritarian government would be best for America, but rejected the anti-democratic and violent connotations of such a term.

If these teabaggers (is this epithet the result of something like Dan Savage’s quest to define “Santorum”?) suggested that the US is moving towards socialism, would you accept the term bestowed upon you by your opponents or reject it because you know they will accuse you of admiring Stalin?

I would reject it because it suggests we are not a socialist country now.

That pretty much sums the current GOP up, doesn’t it? That’s them in a nutshell really.