WIN. Thread over. (Rhetorically speaking, of course.)
Any creativity expressed in runway fashion has to be seen through that strangely colored light - that of a marketer who is not selling what s/he appears to be selling, and is neither frank nor very shifty about it.
How can such an enterprise be anything other than show business - than a ritual enshrined? Let’s just acknowledge that and appreciate, or excoriate, it for what it is.
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Lapis is dark, deep blue–the color of lapis lazuli. Wikipedia has detailed articles on color; they consider lapis a variation of azure. Then, there’s cerulean. People into design & art (not just fashion) care deeply about color. Have you ever tried to match a piece of vintage clothing to a modern garment?
Haut Couture is made for a vanishingly small group of wealthy women & tailored to each lady’s size & preference. (She would like a see-through garment lined? Sure!) Many fashion houses also offer Ready to wear–which can still be pricey. The fashions filter down through several less-expensive incarnations; some influence what I buy, others are sources of amusement.
Most high fashion models look like lanky high school girls after work. The designers make them up to lend the openings an air of fantasy; sometimes, the getups are rather weird. And some of the fashion houses do sell more perfume than clothing–the fashion collections are mostly PR.
Fashion is big business. It’s art. It’s a game…
NASCAR is show business anymore, too, BTW. Or at least big business. I’m sure it turns a better profit than what’s left of the Big Three.
Or they go, “Jesus fucking Christ, that is the ugliest fucking car I’ve seen! What the hell is wrong with car designers today?” or “What the fuck is this? Apricot and boll weevils on a plate? Who comes up with this shit?”
What’s the point of pro football? It produces nothing useful to society.
Fashion shows exist because a number of people find it entertaining to look at outrageous clothes on pretty girls.
What alice_in_wonderland said. What you perceive as a choice, isn’t. If there’s a maroon sweater in a Marshall’s bargain bin, it’s there because someone in the fashion industry made a push for that color at some point. Haute couture filters down to pret-a-porter clothing which then filters down to mass market clothing. There’s nothing that’s not “unconnected”.
I’ve got no idea what your point is. If you’re suggesting there’s some grand conspiracy to pretend haute couture has nothing to do with marketing, you’re wrong.
If you’re suggesting that haute couture clothes can’t be considered art because they’re used for publicity, than you’re also wrong.
I have a ton of respect for the study of color and find it very interesting. But the importance of the study of color doesn’t change the fact that color decisions made in the circles of high fashion have absolutely zero to do with what someone chooses to wear from mainstream fashion. If Oscar de la Renta had never made a blue gown (and let’s face it, to most of the population, it’s blue), someone in charge of clothing design at Target or Gap would still have created a blue sweater and someone in the public would have still bought it.
Have you ever seen pictures of a fashion show? Even leaving aside the “too skinny” debate, most of the women that do a little turn on the catwalk are hideous drugged out freaks. Or they’re dolled up that way by men and women who have no idea what the words “attractive female” actually mean.
I don’t intend to suggest either of those things. I do maintain that our culture takes what is at heart an illusory ritual far too seriously, mostly because of our misguided reverence for big money and celebrity.
Pro football gave us Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.
Ace Ventura, Pet Detective gave us Jim Carey.
Jim Carey dated Jenny McCarthy so you didn’t have to.
You may now thank pro football.
But it’s pretty much irrelevant. Her character makes a rather grandiose claim that the clothes she picked out were really dictated by much higher up the fashion food chain, but that really means damned little – the fashion industry worked to generate a surplus of that pqarticular color to end up in that bargain bin. But if it had been some other color, they would have taken that one simply because it was there. You can call that having influence over the fashion sense of others, but it;'s no different from the makers of plastic injection molds choosing to design the blister packs for products exactly the way they do. You go with that because it’s what the industry produced. Big whoop. Plastic injection molders don’t make a big deal about the way their choices dictated the packages you buy.
But I will buy a sweater, regardless of the exact palette of colors offered, because I need one. It really doesn’t matter what shade of blue was chosen.
I wish people trying to criticize the fashion industry would leave off this line of attack. It’s as obnoxious to hear naturally thin women dismissed as “hideous drugged out freaks” or called unattractive as it is for anyone to pick on fat people. The plus-size model movement is a step forward, but there’s no reason to assume that slimmer models look that way out of neurosis or unhealth. You can’t judge these things from a picture.
Did you even read what I wrote? I said I don’t care whether or not they’re thin, the women are made up in such a way as to accenuate all of their worst features. On top of that, many of the women chosen to be high fashion models just aren’t attractive in general (i.e. their faces) because most of the men doing the picking don’t care about what makes a woman attractive.
And for the record, I love thin women. And I hate the “so-and-so needs to eat a sandwich” cracks as much as you do.
Understood, but I think most models are chosen as a showcase for clothing - they know how to move, and they’ve got bodies like coathangers. A model with a notably beautiful face will distract from the clothing itself. (I guess whether this is dehumanization or just the way of the industry is a whole other question.)
To me, it’s a bit more than that. It should be viewed as an art form and as such should not suffer from inqury as to “why”.
Why anything?
Because, of course, your particular standard of attractiveness is the only correct one … . :rolleyes:
Relax your highness, it was a joke. But looking over this thread, I am not alone in that opinion.
Which is it? A joke or your actual opinion?
This thread is like the abstract art threads that pop up from time to time: “Oh noes! Someone is behaving as though they like something I don’t like! But they can’t really like it! They must be crazy/deluded/running a scam/whatever!”
Can’t it be both? I was making a joke about the looks of many runway models using my actual opinion. I thought people would realize my joke only applied to my opinion and was not meant as a statement of fact for all runway models and all people that look at runway models.
Can’t be too careful on the Dope I guess.
And the vast majority of this thread is pointing out that while the argument could be made that high fashion is art, most fashionistas want to have their cake and eat it too by acting like high fashion influences mainstream fashion, which it doesn’t, at least not in the way they think it does.