Huh? Some of the idiot managers have gone to jail for these actions. Nix, the ex-fiancee is facing 20 years when his case goes to trial. When he gets out, he will be a convicted sex offender. Another of the managers listed in one of the other fast food cases did forty months. Some have been acquitted but some haven’t.
If you are referring to the corporate level, does corporate have to tell the managers not to do this shit. I guess corporate assumed the managers to not be quite so dumb.
Bullshit. Hey look, if you want dishonest about your musings, then be upfront about it when you post your drivel. MEMOS AND MANUALS DO NOT COME IN FINE PRINT. :wally
You bolded the wrong part.
Then of course there is this line.
I think that makes it pretty clear.
True but quite possibly irrelevant. Memos and manuals don’t do any good without management making time for their employees to study them. My short stint at a McDonalds in a rural college town indicates that it doesn’t matter what’s in the manual because they’re more interested in working you every second of your shift instead of taking the time to train you. I specifically requested time to study the manual so I could learn what the fuck goes on a McDonalds burger(or fish sandwich, or whatever)(I never ate there) so I could handle custom orders properly. The shift manager said “Ok, the book is in the break room.” I go sit down and start reading and about four minutes later she’s poking her head in and saying “We’ll have to do this later we need you on the front.” After about three cycles of this I just gave up trying to actually learn any of the documented procedures and just winged it.
If this McDonalds was anything like the one I worked at all it would take was a little testimony from other workers to establish that no matter what the manual said, the message wasn’t getting across. A step higher up and they could show that regional managers are aware of this lackidasical attitude towards training(as ours certainly was). The courts may decide it was unreasonable to expect them to thoroughly train everyone given the rates of turnover McDonalds experiences, or they may decide this was a failure of the management chain and some sort of punitive measures should be meted out.
Enjoy,
Steven
Perhaps by then the idiot fiance was so aroused by what he’d been doing to that naked girl that he wanted to be told to make her blow him.
From the article linked in the OP
Whoops! I posted too soon. What I meant to say was that it sounds like the companies were trying to spread the info, but “Officer Scott” was just good at finding stupid/gullible sheeple for his hoaxes.
Zebra, how thick are you?
What part of, “she asked if she had show up for work the next morning,” do you not understand?
Maybe she was too stunned to think clearly, but still, on top of the “good girls do as they are told” tells me she wasn’t the type to question authority.
Me, I’d demand a warrant and a lawyer as soon as they threatened to undo one damned button.
No, she didn’t go back to work. But at the time, she was still too frightened to disobey orders.
Funny … my ankles are feeling funny … oh, look, some pasty-faced loon in black armor is gnawing on them …
Excellent. I missed that point. Glad to hear that responsible people are being held responsible, for once. I’m not sure how high up the ladder responsibility goes. Mtgman’s post indicates there could be a problem going right up to corporate, though I’m not sure what the sanctions should be here. I don’t think anyone who was not directly involved in the incidents should face criminal penalties, but I bet there’s gonna be some KILLER lawsuit material here.
Did you even read the article?
“She said she believed she was trapped. Nix outweighed her by 145 pounds and stood nearly a foot taller. “I was scared for my life,” she said.”
You have someone who outweighs you by 145 pounds, who has already hit you, and you are warned of worse punishments if you resist. You have every reason to believe those punishments will happen. If at that point you are scared for your life, it doesn’t mean you are stupid. I suspect that if you were a 90 pound teenage girl being hit and threatened by a 235 pound man you would be very afraid as well.
Other examples:
“At a Burger King in Pendleton, Ind., a supervisor was so intent on finishing a search of a 15-year-old girl in December 2001 that when the girl’s father arrived to pick her up from work, he had to jump over the counter to end her humiliation.”
“And in Dover, Del., a Burger King manager who was strip-searching an 18-year-old employee in March 2003 fought off the worker’s mother and boyfriend so strenuously that state police had to be called.”
No, it is not necessarily a case of “stupid” people doing what they are told. There was very real violence, and threats of further violence.
I seem to be about 8 or 9 inches thick.
I KNOW SHE WASNT THE TYPE TO QUESTION AUTHORITY! THAT IS WHY SHE IS, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, STUPID.
THAT IS ALL I’M SAYING. SHE IS STUPID AND IF SHE WASN’T SO STUPID THIS WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED TO HER. THIS IS NOT BLAMING THE VICTIM AS IN "SHE WAS WEARING A SHORT SKIRT SO SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT’. THIS IS BLAMING THE VICTIM, 2% OF THE BLAME, BECAUSE SHE IS STUPID AND DIDN’T HAVE THE LIFE SKILLS TO BE LET OUT THE DOOR OF HER HOUSE.
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I’M NOT GETTING!
We’ve secretly replaced Zebra’s Folger crystals with mathamphetamines. Let’s see if he notices.
that she’s not really that stupid.
I would have never passed Calculus without Mathamphetamines.
What word would you use to describe her? Simpleton? Easily lead? Dupe?
Yes, some people can be duped by people pretending to be an authority. And some people can be duped by people pretending to talk to their dead relatives. And some people can be duped by people who claim to be able to talk to their pets. I’m considering if I can dupe people into paying me to talk to their dead pets. (did he play with a ball?) But guess what? They are all morons. Now I’m sure that girl learned a valuable life lesson that night. A lesson she should have learned before that night so now, after this, I’m willing to think she is smarter than before but the choices she made that night were stupid choices. If character is action, then she was stupid that night.
Zebra, I’m not stupid, but at 19 I was naive and not used to be being believed. I was also a bit afraid of my father and terrified of losing my job. If my manager had refused to believe me when I told him I didn’t steal, I probably would have done what I had to to convince him I was innocent. Undergoing a strip search, however humiliating it would have been at that age, would have beat losing my job, and I can see how the young woman in question felt those were the only two options she had. From what I know of the way my mind worked at that age, as things progressed, the trap would have gotten tighter. In addition to being stupid enough to be accused of stealing, I would have felt even stupider for letting things go as far as they had until the only alternative I would be able to see is doing what they told me in the hope it would end soon and no one would find out.
Not everyone has the courage or the ability to walk away from a situation. Even someone with strength of character in some areas, which I had at 19 can find herself in a situation where that strength of character doesn’t help. I worked at a McDonalds when I was 22 because it I needed a job, it was close to home, and I didn’t drive. I would not have wanted to risk that job, especially since I had pretty much no self esteem as it was.
If you can’t understand how an intelligent person would do such a thing, good for you. I’m glad you’ve had the sort of life that places that outside your ken. Not all of us have had that luxury, and it is a luxury.
CJ
Like Siege, I was pretty naive at the age of the victim of that article. I don’t think I would’ve fallen for it, though, but that’s because a) public humiliation is such a great fear of mine that I would possibly have become violent if they’d tried to do anything of the sort, and b) unlike Ogborn, I’m not afraid of either losing my job or getting in trouble if something really doesn’t seem right. I would’ve called my dad under the circumstances presented in the article. But, at 19, I fell victim to a crime that my older self knows was stupid (they conned me out of $10 in gas when I was working at a convenience store.) I’m far from stupid, nor was I then, but I was quite trusting of people.
The fact that Ogborn fell victim doesn’t surprise me. She may not be stupid, but she’s only recently an adult. For “good girls,” obeying authority figures has been the norm. It’s the fact that the older managers fell victim that surprises me. They should’ve known better. And the fact that they didn’t means either they long ago turned their brains off, or they’re sadists who were just looking for an excuse to abuse someone.
Oh, and I thought it interesting that Ogborn gave permission for her name to be used in the article. When I read that my first thought was, “Was that more of the ‘obey authority’ conditioning kicking in?”
No, for good girls the norm would be don’t get naked in front of strangers.
Siege, your problem wouldn’t be intelligence but rather the fact that you didn’t feel that your dad would have your back. Yes, it is a blessing that I knew my parents would back me up in that situation but if that was me and I stripped for no good reason. After yelling at the manager they would have taken me home and yelled at me for being stupid.
If you or this girl really would have been in trouble with her parents because she came home saying “I got fired because I refused to take off all my clothes” then she has a lot of other issues to work out. Personally I’d bet her family would have backed her up. Not that she would have really lost the job anyway. If the janitor can come along and figure it out, at some point in the firing process, someone at the place would have realized that the Ass Manager was in the wrong and not the girl.
Is it OK if I call her spineless? Would you be satisfied with that?
When your manager says “There is a cop on the phone and he tells me that you’re a thief and you have to strip”, you need