I’ve had the unfortunate encounter with both.
I dislike the feeling of other people’s skin on mine though (strangers). I sweat a lot (being a pretty warm skinned person) so it’s really gross when some stranger is touching me while I try in vain to keep my skin aired out to prevent sweating.
Sure, I know fat people aren’t going around trying to overflow on people (well, you never know these days of course) but it’s pretty rude and gross.
Note: Obesity, in and of itself, does not cause disease. When one becomes superobese, certainly the strain on the body becomes great. But the average fat American, carrying an extra 40-100 pounds, is not causing disease in the body. HOWEVER…the lifestyle that probably led to the obesity is probably causing disease. Obesity is a SYMPTOM of a disease causing lifestyle, not a causative agent.
It is possible to have rampant heart disease and diabetes and be slim. It is more common than you’d think. It is also possible to be fat and have clear arteries, a strong heart, and normal blood sugar.
In other words, eating lots of crap and sitting on your ass can and probably will cause a variety of problems to develop, most prominently heart disease, diabetes AND obesity.
Obesity is extremely complex. There is no simple answer for why everyone gets obese, ask the obesity research professionals.
Whah? Obesity, in and of itself, IS a disease.
Actually, there is a simple answer. People gain weight when they take in more calories then they burn off. Simple.
Oh dear. We’re not going to go through this stupidity again, are we?
Care to explain what is stupid about that statement tdn?
Should I just dig up the old thread? It was about 9 pages long, as I recall.
The upshot was, in a very simple nutshell, that all you have to reduce weight is to reduce calories and increase activity. Reduce calories by decreasing fats, but maintaining carbs. Except that doesn’t work, you must eat a lot of fat and no carbs. And cut out sugars. Or not. But definitely increase calcium. And take Fen/Phen. No, wait, don’t! That’ll kill you. Exercise instead. Aerobically. Except aerobic exercise actually increases fat. So go on a diet. Except all diets are doomed to fail. Except South Beach. Which works forever, until it fails.
Simple, no?
I never wrote that losing weight was easy or that every system for losing weight will work. What I said was that the cause of gaining weight is when one takes in more calories than one burns off. Nothing you just wrote invalidates my statement or shows that its stupid.
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There’s a video clip here of Alley’s “pitch.” Pretty sad and unfunny. Requisite “I’m fat and I eat a lot ha ha” and “The fat girl is eating a huge plate of spaghetti and asking for a diet Coke ha ha” cracks. Hi-larious.
Interestingly enough, every single news article I find that talks about the impending new show mentions the “24 Krispy Kremes” figure. :rolleyes:
Don’t know where the “aerobic exercise actually increases fat” thing comes from, but whatever. I don’t think you’ll find a single credible dietician out there who would argue that moderate portions of a diet based on fruits and vegetables, supplemented with lean meats, poultry, and fish, rounded off with a little whole-grain bread, and topped off with a dash of sugar for fun, coupled with a daily routine of moderate-to-strenuous aerobic exercise, will do anything but help you reduce weight and stay healthy.
It’s the moderating actives who are the healthiest. Period. If you want to lose weight, eat small portions of a well-balanced diet, and exercise for 30+ minutes ever day.
It’s very simple. And very hard for a modern American to do, apparently. But do this we must if we want to improve our chances of longevity and optimal quality of life as we age.
How does aerobic exercise make you fat?
Well, if you’re a Breatharian…
I’ve read a lot. A great deal more than you, I’d venture to say, and not just webpages and pop mag articles. I’ve read whole books devoted to the subject, and I don’t refer to diet books.
There’s alot of conventional wisdom that is just not all that wise. Dig a little deeper, then we can take this up in earnest.
Where, pray tell? You have some font of dietary sagasity which the “conventional wisdom” of years of basic research into cardiovascular, renal, endocrine, proliferative, etc., disease hasn’t stumbled upon?
Stoid, it is the fat that a person’s body holds and not the lifestyle that created the fat that causes insulin resistance. What superior books are you reading that says otherwise?
Fat is an endocrine organ. It pumps out hormones. Too much fat leads to too much of those hormones, which is bad. This is a very recent discovery, so don’t look for it in books.
I think what people have to realize is that crash diets are bad, health plans are better. No diet is going to be ‘one size fits all’ because everyone’s metabolism/lifestyle etc. is different. Don’t try to be anti-diet unless you are pro-health.
If you want to lose weight, don’t use a diet plan from a women’s magazine, go to your doctor/GP/nutritionist and ask them about it. If you really want to know what you eat is doing to your body, find out about what carbohydrates and protein each do, don’t count the grams of fat or the calories in each thing you eat.
Be informed about your health, its the only way you’re going to know yourself if something’s wrong. The Weight Watchers Point Plan has the right idea, but knowledge tends to be power.
After a semester of cooking classes, I knew what was in my food, what was generally bad in large amounts and what each ingredient would do to me. I knew what filled me up and what didn’t. You have to understand what you’re eating if you want to do it right.
I do believe there has been discussion about how obesity affects the people around the sufferer (forgive me for calling it that if you don’t believe it to be a disease) and the point of parents being bad role models is quite true. I have two fag-hounds in my family and they’re my grandfather and his son, my uncle. That and poor health plans are inherited as such.
Just be informed.
Actually, I have heard compelling, reasoned arguments against helmets, mainly on the grounds that they reduce peripheral vision and hearing sensitivity, making the rider more prone to accidents due to being less aware of their environment.
Well, I’ve seen reasoned arguments against seatbelts. My father was dead-set against them for years because of an accident: A tractor-trailer took a sharp right and broadsided his car. He was thrown into the passenger seat (this was back in the days of big, wide front seats in cars instead of buckets), and escaped with only some cuts and bruises instead of being crushed, as he would have been if he stayed in the driver’s seat.
However, for every one of those cases where not having a seatbelt proves adventacious, there’s many more where not having one proves deadly. Yeah, helmets may cause some sensory deficits, but riders can adjust; there’s little or no way to adjust to slamming your bare head on the pavement. Three words: Cost-benefit analysis.
