Because dead baby jokes, whether you find them in good taste or not, are obviously jokes. And, maybe more importantly, they are jokes about babies who are dead or died, not about killing babies. If you put a thread in MPSIMS for dead baby jokes, and someone came in talking about how they wanted to kill their actual baby in a realistic way, what would that do to the thread?
Jonathan
That was the weakest bit of self-serving rationalization I’ve seen in a while. Fuck you too, Jonathan.
I am not a father (happily single!), but I am wondering if I am the only one in this thread who had male friends as a teenager that were very far from the “Horndog/Screw any and all Women available” stereotype/mindset. None of my friends were this type of person, and they were not Dutch. They believed in respecting women and their wishes, did not brag about “getting some” on their dates, etc.
So is my experience completely anomalous, or do other people on the board share similar backgrounds?
How is it weak? As I and others have said the “jokes” sound exactly like the reality. In a video format, Dave Chappelle making a seemingly serious speech about white power in KKK outfit is funny because of the cognitive dissonance. On a message board, if someone types out a similar screed , how am I supposed to tell it was a joke? What is the punchline? If the funny is supposed to come from how ridiculous the idea is, well it fails because we can’t tell if its a joke.
Here is post 8, without any identification:
Where does the intended humor come from? If it is just in the creative hyperbole then it still assumes that a woman’s sexuality belongs to her father or that the daughters in question are incapable of making their own decisions. That the quest to get laid is actually a competition between suitor and father, with the girl the prize.
Maybe the poster has no such opinions. I suppose it is possible that the poster is a 13 year old girl, but in message board format there is no way to tell that, so how am I supposed to know whether or not this is a joke or a “joke”?
Jonathan
ETA: gytalf2000, no you are not alone. I think that was the point of the thread originally, to point out that it is silly to assume that all boys are evil rapist scum. Then we got sidetracked.
Right - whereas if I say I would consider cutting off my daughter’s boyfriend’s nuts if he is fifteen minutes late bringing her back from a date, it isn’t clear if I am joking or not.
:shrugs:
You can’t force people to have a sense of humor.
On a related note, my daughter is actually going to bring her newest [del]victim[/del] boyfriend home on Saturday for me to meet him. They are going to watch DVDs here, with some of her friends.
Am I going to make threats to him? No, of course not. Is one of the messages to be communicated that she has a large male who is a weightlifter and a black belt keeping a careful eye out for her well-being? Of course it is.
Many young women today, unfortunately, have only a distant relationship with their fathers. They either don’t get along, or only see each other sporadically. This is not the case with my daughter.
My daughter lives in my house. She talks to me. She trusts me. She loves me, and I love her. I think a lot of the troubles that come about nowadays are because a lot of women don’t know what that is like. Which is a pity, but it doesn’t affect my daughter.
I trust my daughter’s judgment, and she knows and respects my rules. The wild card in this situation is this boy I’ve never met.
It does no harm, and some good, for him to recognize that there are a number of people who are unhesitatingly committed to doing whatever it takes to be sure she is safe, well, and happy.
Regards,
Shodan
(bolding mine)
That is one gigantic leap of twisted logic. The only thing that hyperbolic humor assumes is that an overprotective father will be hyperbolically protective of his daughter. Sure, it takes into account the stereotype that a young girl needs protection, but if you’re just going to get your skivvies in a bunch over an innocuously floated idea such as that, then I’m afraid I’ll be forced to agree with **Shodan **… “You can’t force people to have a sense of humor.”
This thread should be published and sold in the Self-Help section with that as a title.
Guess what? I bet you really could unload a truckload of dead babies with a pitchfork.
I agree that sometimes fathers and daughters (and sons) aren’t as close as they should be. I think that in a close parent/child relationship, a father doesn’t even need to send that signal (to the child or the boyfriend) because it’s already understood.
I think the best signal a parent can send in this situation is one of confidence and respect in the child’s ability to choose a partner, as well as IMMEDIATE respect and trust for that person purely because your child has chosen that person. Now…that’s not to say that a blatant signal of disrespect from that boyfriend should be ignored, but you should never go into a relationship with your child’s friends thinking an unspoken threat is necessary. Treat them as if they’re going to treat your child well, and they probably will.
Shodan is right about a good many things.
Did any of you actually believe I would greet a new boyfriend half-naked and cutting up a pig carcass with a kindjahl? Did you think I would actually make him eat the kidneys and balls?
Did you actually think my wife would be cleaning her Kalashnikov? Did you really believe I would afix a tiny collar bomb around the boyfriend’s genitals?
Do any of you know anybody who actually did any of these things?
No?
I didn’t fucking think so.
FTR, I do actually own a kindjahl. It was made for me by Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works back in the mid-90’s and is a really sweet piece of hardware.
I am now anxiously awaiting the thread decrying the pernicious practice of making chickens cross roads.
You’re not going to be doing a demonstration or anything are you? 
Just eyeball him alot. 
I was a young man once and not very succesfull with the ladies, but having met a few fathers in my day, you can pretty much tell just by making eye contact with someone or a lack thereof, who you’re dealing with. Never stopped me from trying, however. Violence has been something that I’ve always had. Love, not so much.
How else are we supposed to find out if they’ll get to the other side or not? Thought experimentation can only take you so far, you know.
Correct - eye contact is good. And a handshake that is just a little more firm than necessary.
The major part of it is just to show that I’m there. And paying attention.
Regards,
Shodan
This is why I only date the daughters of single mothers.
So how do you drop that whole weightlifter / black belt into the conversation? I bet its pretty amusing. And how do you phrase it so its not a veiled threat?
Do you wear your gi around the house casually? Does the black belt go over or under the weight lifting belt?
So you prefer that your threats are implied, rather than overt? There shouldn’t be any message about some large male who is a weightlifter and a black belt keeping an eye on her well-being, there should be a message of you wanting to get to know the kid who your daughter has such interest in.
Do you trust your daughter’s judgment or not? You say you do…
But, if you trust your daughter and she respects your rules, then you have nothing to worry about in the boy you’ve never met, because she will be perfectly capable of telling him what she does and does not find acceptable.
But why is he putting himself in the position of protecting his daughter’s vagina? Isn’t it up to her whether she wants to ‘protect’ her vagina?
Did I get the impression you would literally do those things? Nope.
Did I get the impression that you really do want the guy to be afraid of you to the point that he won’t try to touch your daughter even if she wants him to? Yes.
And that’s where I take issue with your attitude.
How pathetic that you feel the need to put on a macho display of strength rather than trust that your daughter has her own mouth and can open it if she’s being mistreated.
Wouldn’t it be better to, instead of acting like a macho jerk, to just focus on making sure your daughter knows that she can always come to you for help and you won’t fly off the handle and get violent?
Wasn’t it Scylla in some “protect your daughter from the pedophiles” thread who actually made the claim that his daughter’s vagina belonged to him?
That was a creepy moment for everyone.
That’s great and all that you support her and tell her you trust her judgment. If that is the consistent message to her then she will probably not be put out by a occasional joke, that she knows is a joke. But if you repeatedly told her, in a way that she believed you, that you would meet all her boyfriends while sharpening your machete, or benching 300lbs in your gi, then it would be a whole different vibe between you.
Sure you could, and you could throw an armless and legless man in the pool. But nobody expects this to actually happen. There aren’t people doing this in reality. Father do sharpen knives and clean guns and otherwise try and show how intimidating they are to their daughters date. They make what should be her choices into a classic territorial/dominance challenge. See if I hear a new mother talking about how overwhelmed she is by her baby and how sometimes she just wants to put a pillow over its face to make it quiet, I wouldn’t take that as joke because that is how real women with real issue talk about them. Just like the jokes in this thread read like real posturing, macho, dominating father talk about their daughter.
Some fathers have done things almost as bad. That is the point. If the joke is indistinguishable from reality, how are we supposed to know it is a joke.
I know guys who have rehearsed their whole little meeting the boyfriend routine and, minus the pig’s blood, replace the kindjahl with a katana, and your there.
You do realize that this is a display of dominance, right? I am assuming you mean to be supportive, but if it is at all obvious to your daughter what you are doing it may have the opposite effect because it is saying you are in control in this situation, not him, and by implication, not her.
See this is the kind of thing I came into this thread to talk about. The fact that this kind of thing is useless and silly, not get in debate over how appropriate it is to make jokes that match up to others reality.
Jonathan
ETA: One thing all the posturing and handshakes also says is that anyone who can take in a fight can do whatever he wants to your daughter. How’s that for a message?
Right now, my daughter is 8 years old. I’m perfectly content that boys (and men) be afraid to touch her.
About a year ago at a holiday party, the son of a cousin tried to coerce her into taking her clothes off. She came to me and told me about it immediately. I didn’t have to kill the wretch because his father (my cousin) made it clear that his immediate post-party future was going to include an asswhooping like the one that killed the dinosaurs.
My daughter loves and trusts me, catsix. She knows and understands what is right and what is wrong and that she can turn to me always.
I don’t need you and she doesn’t need you for instructions on how we should relate to each other.
So fuck off.