::patting Spatial Rift’s hand::
There, there. The way to deal with Voyager is to assume that everything that happened after 7 of 9’s first appearance was the first draft of a holonovel Tom never got around to revising.
You know something? I actually believe that Dukat didn’t want to oppress the Bajorans as he did during the occupation; he didn’t like the violence, any more than he actually wanted to go to war with the Federation early in the series. (I recall the episode with Tom Riker, in which he and Sisko are working together to avoid the war the Maquis are trying to start; the Dukat I saw there was just plain tired of killing.) Not that it excuses him, but I think he WAS just following orders. Which makes him both better and worse, in a way. He KNEW what the Cardassians was doing was indefensible, but hadn’t the courage to protest, and had to rationalize his own involvement. The cognitive dissonance must have been something awful.
Count me as an Eddington fan too. He was marvelously ambiguous, particularly in the episode when Sisko finally manages to capture him, when Sisko is the one who’s really acting villainous.
Oh, yes. Already in love with herself before Kira Prime appeared, she finally had a way to consummate it more satisfying than masturbation. If only Nana Visitor were utterly amoral, had an equally amoral identical twin, and the show were broadcast on Showtime.
What, nobody mentioned Weyoun?
Actually, he said “more of a mind ripper”.
I always liked Charlie X “I can make you all go away - any time I want to !”
As well, I like Kirk’s friend who turned into a silver eyed superman, don’t recall his name.
Now there’s a character I wanted to smack in the face with a two-by-four.
Another Gul Dukat fan here. From first appearance to last. Deliciously evil, even when he was good.
(Honorable mention to General Chang, tho…)
You mean Winki The keebler elf?!?!?!
Ooooo he’s so scary in his toadiness!
If we’re limiting it to TV and movies, my favorite is the Romulan Commander from “Balance of Terror.”
If we can include books, my all-time favorite Trek villain is “Omne,” from the old TOS books “The Price of the Phoenix” and “The Fate of the Phoenix.” He was one cool villain.
Gary Mitchell. How could you not remember, “Above all, a GOD needs COMPASSION, MITCHELL!!!”
While it is true that a God needs compassion, it is still entirely unclear as to why God would need a Starship.
Except for Q and the Borg, Trek just didn’t have many recurring villians outside of DS9. To me, a recurring villian needs to be in more than two eps. There were indeed some fantastic one and two ep villians all thru the Trek franchise, tho.
Outside of DS9, the other series tried. VOY with Seska, then the New Improved Borg Queen. TNG had a bit of recurringness with Q, tho he was more of a Loki type, and a couple of minor characters or species. They had the Borg and Lore, true, but after “Sleep, Data” and “Here, Crystal, Crystal, Crystal,” they both kind of lost their oomph.
On ENT, the Bergama actually had a pretty good template worked out with the Suliban Silik and his Shadowy Future Guy master fighting the Temporal Cold War. They just tampered with it too much and lamed it all out of whack.
Ah yes, Omne. Though I don’t think he considered himself a villain; he considered the Federation villainous because of its self-serving Prime Directive (which you’ll note could always be set aside if there was dilithium to be had).
Not to hijack, but I simply love both Phoenix novels,and it’s good to find someone else who remembers them fondly. winterhawk11, did you see a sexual subtext to Omne’s desire to master Kirk? I recall a scene midway through Price, in which Omne has just beaten the holy hell out of Kirk (first he doubles over his belt, then discards it because he’d rather use his bare hands). Afterwards Kirk is lying, beaten, on his side, and Omne approaches him to use use ultra-high-tech healing cream to heal him; he applies the cream by hand. He rolls him over onto his belly and starts removing the Captain’s pants; Kirk begins to freak out. Even at twelve, I read that and thought, “Whoa. they are NOT about to have Captain Kirk raped…are they?”
:dubious:
To pick up chicks, man!
No, it’s
KHAN!!!
KHAN!!
khan!
Actually, I think Gul Dukat is the most well-rounded villan, but my ATF is and always be Khan! I find myself quoting STII all the time.
Lore. I’d go with him as well.
I choose the Borg Queen, as embodied by the magnificently creepy Alice Krige. I love that woman. She does cool-faced, mad-eyed spooky characters so beautifully. Recently she was on The 4400 doing another chills-up-the-spine role. Of course, in the case of the Borg Queen, up the spine was about all there was.
Yeah, Alice Krige … it’s her voice. I don’t know if that’s her actual voice or not, but yewwhhhh. shudder
I’ve got a fun fanwank theory about Trelane: I think he’s the son of Q and Q (those of you who saw the episode of Voyager where the Q Continuum had their Civil War because Janeway convinced Q to let Q become mortal so he could commit suicide, causing a rift to break between the Qs, with one side led by Q, and the other by Q. Finally, they kiss and make up (literally) with the result being that Q was impregnated by Q’s child in one of the more amusing sci-fi sex scenes outside of Commander Ivonova’s quarters.
Anyhow, at the end of the episode, Q mentions that his son is already powerful enough to knock small planets out of orbit, but promises to keep him in line. I like to think that since the Q can go back and forth in time without any effort (I think), Trelane was simply the child of Q and Q, and they showed up at the end to send him to his room and let Kirk and company go. 
There’s a Trek novel somewhat like that, told by Q in first person. I think John DeLancie was even given co-writing credits.
Might not be the same book, but “Q-Squared” explores the Q/Trelane connection. Really good book, especially if you like parallel universes and utter chaos.
Oh God. Both of those novels were absolutely putrid, putrid, steaming piles of excrement. When I see one in a thrift store I usually buy it and burn it so nobody else is subjected to the masturbation fantasies of a pair of frustrated amateur psychologists. They get my vote for the worst Trek villains. Myrna Culbreath and Sondra Marshak almost single handedly killed the Trek print franchise, thank God someone else wrote a Trek book that was actually good so people realized that Trek books didn’t have to suck.