I’m sorry to bring this sad news to you, but you are in no position and you shall never come in a position where you would ever be able to tell me what I “need” to do.
Your post being even less interesting as then clod of mud, I can only be sad for you.
Part of that mud is again your complete ignorance and your utterly arrogance showing in this sentence:
There is no visible relation between you referring to some “same people” within the context of your attempt to respond to my post, and my post itself.
But maybe it can’t harm you to become informed about the fact that I don’t need or ever did need any US’er to “fight and die” for me and my rights. So Sorry.
US patriotistic rethoric must be sold to US’ers. You are at the wrong adress when you try to play that ridiculous and utterly cheap game with me.
Frankly, I’m not sentimental about the troops. Sympathetic, yes. Sentimental, no. So if you tell me your cousin is in Iraq, I’l tell you I hope he makes it back safely. But if you tell me to pray for “those boys,” and give thanks that the invading U.S. forces are somehow fighting for “my freedom,” I will roll my eyes. They are just kids, and they deserve to be safe. But I am under no obligation, legal or moral, to repeat the lies or embrace the myths that put them there.
I’m sorry, I tried to ignore this, but I can’t. You’re an ass. How dare you sit in front of your computer, happily enjoying your right to free speech and all that the US has to offer you, while insulting someone who DID sign up in the military to protect you? I don’t care about your damn politics, and I don’t care about your beliefs. The fact is that fungj00mang is in Iraq risking life and limb for his(her?) country, and he doesn’t need people like you shitting on him(her?) for it. Your attitude reminds me of the way soldiers were treated when they came home from Vietnam.
My main concern is that these soldiers come home knowing that their countrymen cared for them, for their hearts and souls while they were gone. That we acknowledge them for being human beings following their orders and doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. Whatever vitriol you have for the process, you cannot deny that these people are placing their lives on the line every damn day.
GWB’s “ratings” aren’t going up because of this war. I don’t personally know one person who thinks the US is without fault in this. I don’t think his ratings will go up with the news that 500 soldiers have now been killed.
Furthermore, I can’t believe that you would dare to compare the soldiers of this nation to “slaves”. You, sir, are the moron here.
Those soldiers are there to invade and occupy a sovereign nation.
Whatever lies that are sold to them about this, the fact is that they are there doing it.
They are not “risking life and limb” for their nation. Iraq formed no threat to the USA whatsoever, didn’t declare war on the USA and didn’t attack the USA.
Iraq has nothing to do with the USA = the USA has nothing to do overthere.
Iraq is not part of the USA.
How much you maybe would like it to be, it is not.
Those soldiers are merely send there to “risk life and limb” for the lunatical greedy arrogance of their governments.
It is their responsibility as adults to be informed about the real nature of that operation instead of swallowing the easy, cheap and feel-good “you are liberating hero’s” rethoric.
And to state on top of this that they are doing that butchery of innocents “for God” is so utterly disgusting that it makes anyone who believes in God vomit.
Blow me, Jaade, I was in the military too and I’ll say whatever the fuck I want. Please disabuse yourself of any notion that the invasion of Iraq has a fucking thing to do with protecting the US from anything and my “free speech” has been threatened more by this administration than any in recent history.
I am not going to automatically show fawning, dicksucking deference to anybody that happens to be wearing a uniform, and if that person says something as stupid as that he thinks he’s fighting for “God” in Iraq then I’m going to call him on it. Only an asshole thinks he’s fighting for God under any circumstances.
You realize that these guys are not allowed to say anything critical of the military or of Bush, don’t you? They would get court martialled if they did. All they’re alolowed to do is spew pro-Budsh propaganda so do don’t kid youreslf that you’re getting the “Staright Dope” from the front lines.
Again, you’ve confirmed that you are a liar. Do you spend a lot of time pondering issues that are less interesting than a clod of mud?
I have mistakenly assumed that you are a citizen or resident of some western democracy. Apology accepted.
This board is situated in the United States. I’m at the right address. What third world shit hole do you live in? Sounds to me like you’re the who is one hump short of being a camel fucker.
That comment was probably unnecessary. One of the finest points of this board is the large contingent of non-U.S.A. folks who post here. The occasional bit of mindless drivel is well worth the valuable insights and perspectives I gain from the view of those outside looking in.
So I take it that means you’re not a Kuwaiti or Saudi, whose freedom to spit upon the US we saved in Gulf War I? I guess the West should have respected your sovereignty and let the Gulf principalities defend themselves from the Iraqi invaders, eh? So sorry to have made that mistake.
Your are correct. I postulated that if you-know-who doesn’t live here or in a western democracy, he must live in some third world shit hole. I guess I could have been a little more sensitive to our esteemed contributors outside of the US. My bad. I promise not to feed him anymore.
I’m sorry, but why would I be Kuwaiti or Saudi?
You also seem to forget that the Gulf War was a UN supported initiative and got back-up and support from many Islamic nations. How come you are not informed about that?
I can go on a bit about this, but it isn’t the right thread to do it.
By the way: Kindly take notice of the reality that nobody needs " the freedom to spit on the US" to be granted to them by the US. How come you think that is the case?
I guess you are not aware of the deplorable situation in which the reputation of the US happends to find itself in these days.
Whether I agree with you or not, I appreciate hearing you views on my OP.
Take the bastard cyber stalking shit and fucking poster vs poster shit elswhere, Demo and Michael!
I figured that if this thread got noticed at all that it would generate a highly polarised response. So, continue discussing the politics and emotions and perceptions relevant to this thread. Get as heated as you want to be (within SDMB rules), but no more fucking bullshit outside of the OP, OK?!
No thanks sugar plum. I’d rather suck on the end of a tailpipe.
I can’t believe how literally you took his “fighting for God” comment having been a member of the US military. I doubt very seriously that fungj00mang believes he is embroiled in a “holy war” of any kind.
I would think that having been in the military before, you would have a shred of compassion for those that are currently serving in these difficult times. (and for the record, though I was never in the military, I was a former military wife, my brother is in the reserves, as is my cousin who was recently released from active duty…my dad and stepdad were both in Vietnam and my greatgrandfather’s brother died in WWII. I am very familiar with the military and it’s laws.) It is MY main concern that the soldiers come home safely, and that they know that we bear no ill will towards them for following the orders they were given, no matter our political leanings.
I think you were over the top in your assessment of fungj00mang’s post, and that your opinion in this matter is a crappy one.