Fear the Walking Dead: 2.11 "Pablo & Jessica" (open spoilers)

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Alicia and Madison try to bring two competing factions together; Nick uses skills from his past for his new role.
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Danay Garcia, Paul Calderon, & Reggie Watts are on Talking Dead.

“You’re a pharmacist. I’m a junkie. Trust me.”

This has to be one of the least persuasive utterances I have ever heard, maybe that You have ever heard either. I don’t mean just TV, I mean in art, literature, history, real life, you name it. Let’s have a contest: can anyone devise a less persuasive thing to say? LOL :smack::confused::smiley:

But hey, it is probably going to work, and Nick got to “work his fingers to the bone” cutting dope, so it was “good TV.” LOL But I like Nick, he has compassion and good intent, and the characters in his world can see that, so it’s all valid.

I thought the sequence when what’s-her-name led the zombies out off the edge of the pier was exciting and full of tension. I honestly wondered whether she was going to get kilt or not. I didn’t think the breakers the speedboat struggled against looked like riptide conditions, and I bet other dopers can point out dumb things about this scene and the lead-up to it, but I thought it was good zombie drama.

I thought Nick was tapping into his genuine brotherly love with what’s-her-name when she revealed the death of her brother and a bit of her personal history. But then he immediately undercut his hug instincts by confronting her with kissy face. Totally lame, actually. But they ended up sucking face in the end, so I guess it was consistent… :confused:

The final bit with Strand and who’s-that-guy got to the heart of the matter wrt why zombie drama is interesting in the first place. Yeah, I was somebody else before the fecal matter met the oscillator, but that was then and this is now, I was doing rather well and I liked who I was but that guy is gone, this is a whole 'nother world. Please allow me to perform the kindness of bashing in the brains of your wife’s animated corpse.

These characters are starting to figure out the “zombie rules.”

Madison, AKA Maddy.

Luciana, AKA Luci.

While we’re talking about names, the episode title refers to:

Pablo, Luci’s now dead brother, and

Jessica, the undead wife of Oscar, who is the guy Strand was talking to at the end of the episode.

Won’t all those zombies in the ocean just eventually wind up being someone else’s problem? (Or will they eventually be washed back to shore and somehow wind back at the hotel?) I would rather know that they were all well-and-truly dead.

Yeah, we’ve already seen zombies washing up on the beach, I just hope there was a current or something. I thought of the cabana boy in 10 telling Dudley Moore not to paddle out past the point or he’d wind up in Peru.

He’ll be tapping into something. And a side note: Damn Danay was looking fine on Talking Dead.

Since zombies don’t swim (band name) putting them in the water may not be as good as putting them down, but almost. They will be “going with the flow” for a while.

Undead? That’s not exactly the best word to use in these circumstance. :smiley:

Well, zombified is probably a better term, except that the walkers in that universe Are Not Zombies. Reanimated?

This was the most interesting episode in the back half of this season, and I had to give it a “meh”.

I love me some TWD, but FearTWD compared to its mother show is mostly boring me to tears.

Alecia got the idea for water disposal from a sign under the pier warning of a dangerous riptide.

I disagree. Nick, being a junkie, knows what the junkies the drugs are going to will care about/notice, he wouldn’t have cared about/noticed the cutting so neither should they.

They’ve already used zombie camo more than Rick’s group has.

Yeah, I think trying to send the zombies out to sea is going to come back to bite them in the ass. Tonight’s episode was kind of meh, but is anyone doing the story sync? The guy in this week’s radio transmission started ranting about government conspiracies and something called “N.O.A.H”; I wonder if anything will come of it. Probably not.

“Riptide” (the sign under the pier says Danger Riptide) requires a particular set of conditions. The wind, the stage of the tide, and the tidal force must be right or there’s no tidal rip. But when it happens, it’s a powerful phenomenon that can sweep even strong swimmers out to sea. Pro tip – you don’t fight it, you swim parallel to shore until you’re past it, then swim in.

So the shambling “infected” have no chance if they’re caught in a tidal rip. They’re ocean bound! But of course, since their ersatz ‘life’ or anyway their ability to ambulate doesn’t depend on actual organic processes or atmospheric oxygen, they might indeed wash up someplace and become somebody’s problem – eventually. But it won’t be near the hotel. And who knows, in our world there are numbers of sharks, and increasingly larger numbers of predatory Humboldt squid in that area. Maybe the dead will be guests of honor at a feeding frenzy.

A perfectly cromulent observation. Still, I laughed at that line. Doncha think it is a little fishy?

Well, what if Michonne had been a part of Rick’s group sooner? (Didn’t they learn it from her? Dang, this stuff has been on for too many years) They just never figured it out, but she had it down all along.

I’ll say the FTWD group has also gotten roaring drunk in dangerous territory and banged madly on pianos more than Rick’s group has. Though they got away with it, while nurse what’s-her-name got shot in the eye with an arrow in TWD for lesser misdeeds.

Could be a draw.

IIRC, Rick learned it from Glenn in S1.E2 ‘Guts’.

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Gents, take a walk.
-Captain Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean)

Since zombies don’t swim, I expect these zombies to walk back to the same beach. And bring several dozen more who just happen to be passing thru the area.

I also expect the dead bride’s mother to make an attempt on the life of the general manager. Mom doesn’t look like a forgive and forget type of person. :smiley:

Ever try to walk underwater? It doesn’t work. Human bodies float, with rare exception. SCUBA divers wear weighs on their belts so they can remain in the water column and not bob to the surface like corks. And they don’t walk along the bottom, but swim in a horizontal position. Helmet divers must wear enormous amounts of weight and even then it’s difficult to stand on the bottom and maintain any semblance of a walk.

When they get washed out, the zombies aren’t going to just sink to the bottom, stand up, and walk back. They’ll remain somewhere between surface and bottom, at the mercy of currents and with their own ineffectual flailing contributing to their randomness. Surely zombies can be expected to wash up on the beach, but none will be “our” old zombies. They’ll be zombies carried there from someplace else up current.

As for mommie dearest, I agree she looks dangerously close to insane with grief and rage.

Speaking as someone who does not float, I think you’re generalising from your own experience a bit too much. Exceptions aren’t that rare. I would expect that walkers, since they don’t need air in their lungs and often have deep wounds, would be even more likely to sink than float.

But, aside from that, in the WD universe, stuff happens because the Gods (ie the writers) will it. Walkers, as depicted on these shows, are impossible. So quibbling about what’s possible for these impossible things is waste of time. Just go with it and enjoy the action without trying to make it make sense. The walkers will be carried away by the rip tide because the writers say so.

I’m getting older, and in the 60’s I might have done a lot of drugs, but I still understand what ‘fiction’ means, and I can enjoy it. However, way back in the dawn of time when John Campbell was an editorial force, there was a clear difference between science fiction and fantasy. In the former, wild, even outrageous circumstances were allowable. But given the basic premise (faster than light travel, or zombies exist) all other normal conditions apply and things must follow logically and consistently from their antecedents. So you can have anti-gravity capability in your sci-fi, but you don’t have gravity that just works part of the time.

Fantasy on the other hand has no rules. Having a pink sky with a sun rising in the east today is no guarantee you won’t have a chartreuse sky and three suns popping up from the west – or even from out of the ground – tomorrow.

I’ve always been a sci-fi fan, and derive much less enjoyment from fantasy. So I keep trying to bend these series (WD & FTWD) into my sci-fi mold. And the producers/writers keep dropping in bits and pieces of fantasy at unexpected intervals. So I am, I really am, trying to suspend disbelief and just enjoy it. But they keep making it hard for me! :smiley: