What, can’t bear to admit error?
Why are they feeble?
The doctors statements were from a different time and place. Of course they differ. Had the policemen’s later statements been unsupported I would shrug and say its not worth anything either way.
But the police weren’t the only ones to hear it.
So your proof is…your own bias. Gotcha.
But because they don’t match yours doesn’t make them wrong.
And so far, they’ve produced trial transcripts, statements, corroborating witnesses, etc.
You’ve got an opinion.
I have no idea why you are intent on taking this discussion into the realm of personal attacks, but you will drop this form of address, immediately.
[ /Moderating ]
Yes. Completely. You say she’s been chasing publicity for 27 years. In fact, she didn’t do much of anything until she saw some college student wearing a ‘FREE MUMIA’ T-shirt in California. When she questioned him, she found that he didn’t know anything about the case, he just thought Mumia was some kind of political prisoner.
After that, she came into the limelight, certainly. But that was after Mumia’s lawyers had generated the whole Free Mumia movement.
Nobody has done so. But it is interesting to see that many of the attacks (such as the false accusation of Faulkner being rascist) come straight from the Free Mumia playbook.
Similarly, responding to personal attacks with personal shots is not appropriate, here.
Knock it off.
[ /Moderating ]
I don’t understand which rule I’m breaking. Seriously, I’d like clarification on this.
The guy misrepresented my words. He claimed I said the exact opposite of what I really said. Oh, it was by implication, rather than directly fabricating my post. But there’s no doubt what he was saying. I understand that what he did is a violation of the rules, at minimum he’s being a jerk.
My first instinct was to report him for violation, but instead I offered him the chance to withdraw his statement.
What is wrong with that? I’m genuinely confused by this.
Doesn’t matter where it came from, right? Am I supposed to stop watching Lost on television because some Mumia supporters watch it too?
Maybe you shouldn’t suggest that someone ought to humble themselves and grovel? And using quotes and hypotheticals doesn’t hide the fact that you’re suggesting evil things about people. Consider the following:
"I’m sure you didn’t MEAN to say that you want all babies to die, right? Because you wouldn’t be so extraordinarlly villianous as to support the murder of children, would you?
…would you?"
Do you see the similarity between what I said, and what you got busted for? You insulted someone by insinuating that they were a liar in a way that was probably even more abusive than just coming out and saying “you’re a liar”.
Errrr, no. But that is not a valid comparison
It does matter where it came from, because what the claims are part of a series of false myths built up by the Free Mumia movement in an effort to gain support.
If one wants to argue against the death penalty, one can make a very good case without needing to falsely accuse the victim of being a rascist, attacking the widow, etc… I’ve seen the former being used, but the latter also came out, and it was not pretty.
To be fair, the attacks on the widow didn’t come into the thread until someone introduced her as a victim, and implied we ought to kill Mumia to give her justice, and oh-can-you-just-imagine-the-horror-she-must-be-going-through, and “look at him giving speeches and making broadcasts and being involved in politics, doesn’t it just make you sick to know how she must feel?” which is hyperbole on the same scale as what you’re getting so worked up over. She doesn’t belong in the discussion at all, actually.
In the first place, you ain’t a mod, so don’t go answering for them. Your opinion has no weight whatsoever.
In the second place, there is no similarity whatsoever. The guy invented an opinion for me that was the exact opposite of the statement I had explicitly made. Totally different to the utter non-sequitor that you came up with.
The fact is that he had misrepresented me. He attributed to me a vile opinion that is the exact opposite of the opinion I actually stated.
I offered him the chance to do the honourable thing and apologise.
Oh, please, whatever you do, don’t report me to the mods. I’m literally groveling. If you were here I would be bowing down before you, shining your boots with my tongue. Please, oh pretty, pretty please, don’t invoke the terrible wrath of the mods upon me.
You got that right. Maybe you could have just quoted the text, said “you’re misrepresenting me” and left the grovelling apology demands out anyway, though.
Back on track; your comment about Mumia possibility being the victim of racism has not been found substantial enough to review the case on those grounds. The bottom line is that calling whats-his-face the dead cop a racist is speculation at BEST, and certainly not enough to justify a suggestion that Mumia’s charge be reduced.
That depends, oh sarcastic one.
Will you admit that you misrepresented me, and withdraw the claim you made?
Or are you going to continue your claim that I said “he deserved it?”
You didn’t say he deserved it, definitely not. Sorry if I misrepresented you.
Asking someone to “grovel” and threatening to tattle to the moderators is pretty low class.
Next time you misquote me, would you rather that I make a complaint directly? Would you find that more “high class” than offering you a chance to apologize?
I offered you the chance to withdraw your statement with honour. If you object to that, then next time you do it you can face the consequeces of your action. Is that what you want?
Okay, you’ve convinced me. What you convinced me of is to respond to you in the appropriate forum (the BBQ Pit).
Bingo. They support their assertions with trial transcripts, depositions, eye-witness accounts. “Free Mumia” sites and “Justice for Faulkner” sites may both have biases. But their assertions are either right or wrong. The Mumia bullshit you asserted is flat-out wrong. The evidence you mentioned, that I asked you for–where is it?
This would be laughable if it weren’t so tiresome. I grow weary of the Mumia nuts that come out in force every time there’s a ruling in Philly, and I hoped there wasn’t a contingent with any sympathy for Mumia on this board.
Funny maybe, but it’s entirely possible for both those things to be true. Racist organizations composed of a minority (in a given culture) always start as a reaction to institutionalized racism on the part of the majority. Of course, they do their own cause more harm than good.
It’s also possible to both believe somebody is guilty, and to insist on every part of his trial and sentencing being done properly and constitutionally. It’s not about him; it’s about the kind of legal system we want to have.