Fed up with Teacher Hate and Disrespect in this Country

We know LHoD is a prince among men, but would your advice be any different for other smart, competent teachers who could get more elsewhere? I have a good number of teacher friends, all experience or they wouldn’t still be teaching in our district, and I don’t know any of them in it for the money.

BTW, raising taxes is not equivalent to increasing unemployment. See the 1990s. In the long improving schools should decrease unemployment. I work in Computer Design, and in my whole floor there are maybe 2 or 3 other people born in the United States. We’re lucky to have grabbed so many smart people from abroad, but it would be nice to have a little balance. And I’m fully aware that increasing teachers’ salaries is not going to solve the problem by itself. But it would be a piece.

I have many stories. So many, in fact, that I think some people think I make them up. I will swear on a stack of whatever that when I post teaching stories on the Dope that they are true or as true as they can be from what I saw.

There was a husband and wife that both taught in the school I was in. They struggled because they has 2 kids. The third year I was there they found out they qualified for free school lunch AND some welfare like food stamps. They needed it so they applied.

A few months later, someone found out. It made the newspaper in the capital of the state.

What did the state, school and community do? Were they ashamed that a husband/wife teacher couple that taught in their school qualified for welfare? Did they apologise…hang their head?

Many in the community complained to the school board. They demanded the couple be fired. When it was explained by a SB lawyer that that would open up liability concerns it went away…or so it was thought.

A month later the wife of the couple confided to me that they were forced to drop welfare. No food stamps, no free school lunches for their kids. The reason? It made the school and community look bad. They were told in a secret meeting that if they did not do this then they would be fired in a near future time for incompetence.

The fact that the community strongarmed this couple and were not ashamed at what they paid their teachers had a large effect on me. My entire third year of teaching was when I really, truely started to realize it was a joke.

Calling DtC a moron says more about you than it says about him. Let’s ‘man up’ (or ‘girl up’ as the case may be) and discuss this with some courtesy - and some citations. Anecdotes seem to grow like oft-told fish stories.

I am a photojournalist/art photographer with a degree in oil painting. every time work/commissions slow down, my friends and family always ask me why I don’t get a job teaching. OP, you hit the nail right on the head. I enjoy teaching and find the classes I offer as rewarding as the people who pay me to teach them, but this is probably because they truly want to learn how to take better photos and/or operate the new toy…equipment they have.

I don’t live in “this country” (the USA); I am Canadian.
I am also a high school French and English teacher, in a province that doesn’t have a large French-speaking population.
This thread is fairly typical of the back-and-forth that goes on about overpaid teachers with too much holiday time, and the opposite view, “No, we’re not overpaid and we work a LOT, dammit, for the crumbs we’re given.”
To get back to the OP: where is the thread like this one for nurses? For other public employees who are similarly educated? Why is it OK to teacher-bash (and make teachers feel they need to defend themselves), yet no-one takes on the other professions in the same way, and with the same vehemence?

In my province, in order to teach at a public school, a person must have a minimum of 5 years of university education, be a member of the College of Teachers (a professional organization), and be a union member. (Yet we do not have the right to strike, as we have been legislated to be an “essential service”.). At the same time, we must not allow students to be unsupervised (otherwise horrible incidents like the kicking described up-thread may happen). I have five years of university, and I have to wait for the end-of-class bell to pee. By law.

That said, aside from the recurrent bladder infection, the long hours, and the lack of significant amounts of time off (I spent the whole summer preparing to teach Social Studies 9…which, I found out the day after labour day, administration had decided to take out of my course load. I’m teaching a block of French 9 instead. Which I now have to prepare for.) I really love my job. The kids, for the most part, are great; my colleagues (aside the occasional cow-orker) are knowledgeable and sensitive; my school is public but a school of choice–we have some control over who warms the seats.

My complaint, as a teacher, is not about the pay (though it isn’t great, for me…my husband is a transit bus driver with the same number of years of experience as me, and we make the same amount of money, even though he has FOUR WEEKS training that HE WAS PAID TO TAKE), nor about the rantings of people who think we are switched on at 8 am and off at 2:30 like robots, because the preparation, photocopying, unit and lesson planning, marking, report card preparation, coaching, extra help, makeup quizzes, and unit test creation and analysis all are done by magical bunnies, not teachers (though they annoy me). It is about the parents who constantly complain that their snowflake is being marked too hard, or asked to do too much work…and then takes Suzie Snowflake to freaking Disneyland for a month, right before exams.

At my particular school, for my particular students, the current version of this is “going back to India” for a relative’s wedding, for six weeks.

Since the semester is 18 weeks long, NO, I will not accept six weeks’ work all at once. No, I do not know exactly what lesson we will be doing on Tuesday three weeks from now, as my lessons have to adjust to meet the needs of the class, and I am not sure (yet) how much extra time your grade 9 class will need on irregular present-tense verbs. And if your parents complain that I don’t have six weeks’ worth of work to give you, the district has a lovely correspondence program that you could “attend” for this semester. I teach the kids who show up. Your missing 33% of the semester VOLUNTARILY does not make teaching you 100% of the content MY problem.

Also, 20% of your French mark is based on your speaking skill. How much of your time in India are you going to spend speaking French to francophones? What evidence of this will you have to offer me? Right.

If school is so important that parents bitch and whine about their kids performance (and blame teachers when kids fail)…and they do…then WHYINHELL don’t they keep their kids in bloody school?

I have two teenaged daughters. They have NEVER had a family holiday scheduled during the school year (even before I became a teacher, 3 years ago). They have had some mediocre teachers, some awful ones and some awesome ones…whether they learn or not is a TEAM PROJECT: kid, teacher, parent, as parts of an equilateral triangle.

Want scores to go up on Yon American Standardised Tests? Make school a three-way partnership instead of a blame game. Teach kids from the time they can toddle that school is important and to be taken seriously. Make parents partners, involved in their kids’ schooling. And quit fer-cryin’-out-loud blaming teachers for everything that goes wrong with every kid everywhere.

But again, how do you legislate respect?

I have had parents approach me at parent-teacher conferences and say, “You are a wonderful teacher.” They have no experience of me teaching, and have no anecdotal evidence to offer, so my public response is a polite smile and a thank-you, and my private response is an eye-roll and a muttered’ “How the hell would you know?” in the car on the way home. I have had parents ask me when I was going to bump up their kid’s grade: 73% is a B in my province, and he was earning 71%. “Never,” I said. “I have enough education to know that 71 is not equal to 73. I am required to accurately report your son’s marks…and he has a C+.” Both that child’s parents were teachers. I have had parents complain to the principal about me; I have had parents sing him my praises. You can’t legislate respect…but you can earn it.

I do agree that teachers have more time off than other jobs, but they are definitely not atheists or educators of pre-marital sex or sodomy. That was a response to a perception I read about above. Some of the most influential people in this world are teachers, and without them how would anyone learn to love and understand the fields they will go into more?

There are a lot of problems in the education system in America. First, the government is determined to compete with other countries like China and Japan. Different lifestyle and different part of the world. It’s not for everyone and pushing standards that require students in elementary and middle to understand concepts the previous generation didn’t see until high school or college is beyond ridiculous. Hence, the SOL’s and standardized testing have given a lot of students the wrong impression about school. They think they’re only there to pass tests and make the schools look good in the newspaper.

Many schools don’t have the time to teach application of skills either. It’s all about memorizing material and then recalling it on tests. That’s why Jeopardy is doing so well. Another thing that really infuriates me is that teachers are blamed for a students’ failure. The parents or the student themselves never have to take responsibility unless they want to. If a teacher confronts the parents about their lack of interest in their child’s education, they just go to the school board and complain. The teacher is either reprimanded, suspended, or even dismissed depending on the situation.

Educating a child comes from two areas: school and home. Whether some parents (not all) will admit to it or not, they need to step up and be a role model for their children. They need to stop making excuses and understand that their child does make mistakes and needs to be held accountable. Teachers used to have more respect because parents and they were united in teaching the children. A school is not a daycare center, and I see some parents only show up to PTA functions when there is food involved or they’re angry about something.

So education needs to be more about application rather than just recalling important information. Parents and teachers have to be united and students have to be accountable for their actions. Education will make a comeback when more people realize what it’s really about and it’s not about tests or excuses. It’s about learning to love learning and that’s a continuous journey.

Haven’t read a bit of this, other than the posting and joining dates.

Two year old thread, brand new poster.

Haha! My first zombified thread. I remember posting this, shortly after I joined the dope (within a month or two anyhow). Ahh the memories.

I think this comes from having the mindset that “everyone has a chance to succeed”, or, to rephrase, “work hard, and you’ll attain your goals”.

Parents say this stuff to encourage their kids. “Dad, I want to be an astronaut!” “Atta-boy, Jimmy! Now work hard, get good grades, etc etc”. Nobody likes to admit that they are dumb, or that they may have dumb kids. Therefore, if your kid didn’t pass math, it must be that the system failed the kid.

“Dio’s back!? No, Zombie.”

Dude, I just read your OP, and even as a high school student, I feel bad for you having to resign your position as a teacher due to how everyone was just automatically blaming you for the student’s faults.

It saddens me to see how teachers, even ones like the OP, that try their hardest to get their students to understand the material with a positive attitude get blamed just because the student is getting bad grades.

No, it’s not the teacher’s fault. Ultimately, it’s up to the student to be responsible for their own grades. If the student does nothing to try to understand the material and does poorly on the test/quiz, it’s not anyone but the student’s fault and no one should be blamed but them.

On a side note, I have seen that you have been through so many tough times, yet you are always so optimistic about everything here and never lose your positive attitude, and I commend you for that.

Well, since this got resurrected i’ll mention that overnight my Teapartier Mom went from “Oh, you poor underpaid teacher. I’ll get the check-- you’d better save your pennies!” to *“Well, you’re sucking at the government teat, you can buy me dinner!” *(I’m betting Rush used that phrase; she wouldn’t think it up herself).

And, we’re in the middle of having a Republican governor pushing a voucher program, on top of all the disrespect.

(Hey, I haven’t quoted a Dio post in a lonnnng time…makes me want to eat a brain.)

No, they haven’t

Stop that at once.

Regards,
Shodan

Right up until Sandy Hook, they were. Then after the heart breaking stories of teachers defending their students with their lives, it became harder to portray teachers as a bunch of greedy socialist liberals who cared more for about their benefits than their children.

Or are we entirely forgetting the relentless attack on teachers and teachers unions by Republican governors all over the country.

I think now would be a good time for teachers from Sandy Hook and Columbine to do a PSA telling the conservatives to abandon their dreams of a privatized school system that creates even greater disparities between the educational opportunities provided to the wealthy and the educational opportunities provided to the poor.

This is the #1 problem. In this era of worship the child, the purple pen brigade, and everyone gets a trophy, there is a huge percentage of parents that are lazy and worthless. It’s the responsibility of everyone else BUT the parents to make the kid a success (in their minds).

Administrators are a PITA because they’re backed into the same corner that teachers are by this attitude. It’s sorta like that old saying about shit rolling downhill.

I’m sorry that you lost a career that obviously meant a great deal to you. But you did the right thing, It would be terribly noble to stay and try to fight and change the system from within, but it would be like trying to empty the ocean with a teaspoon at this point.

It will only change once more parents decide to be parents again.
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ARGGGGH Zombie…damnit.

Thank you! I do try hard to remain positive even when it’s hard. Giving up my teaching career was difficult and sort of bitter-sweet, but I’m happy with my new career :slight_smile:

For the first time in over a decade I will not have a child in the public school system. One was due to his ability to bounce a ball.. the other because she’s pretty darn smart. The differences I’ve seen have been striking. Mostly the lack of BS that privates put up with.. don’t get me wrong..the kid who’s dad is building the new upper school has far more leeway than my knucklehead does.. And I’ve made that clear to him. One thing I’ve noticed locally here in Atlanta..like a hot new three star restaurant.. all the parents are flooding the schools that “work” creating conditions that are ridiculous..

This is a lengthy but worth-the-read response written by a teacher who is hamstrung, sabotaged, and attacked by admins, parents, and others who are unaware or in denial regarding what it’s like for many who want to teach:

I feel bad for good teachers. on the one hand, the teacher’s unions protect the deadwood-and that means bad teachers, teachers who have “given up”, and plain hacks. On the other, if you challenge your students, the ones who DON’T want to learn will attack you.
basically, the system is set up to push mediocrity-grade inflation and clueless graduates. And I agree-students act out like preschoolers-I would never teach in an urban system-it can be very dangerous. the students know that they can accuse the teacher of anything-and disrupting the classroom is one way for them to do so.