Federal reserve implements its own stimulus

The Federal Reserve has determined that our economy needs more stimulus, and has decided to do something about it:

It’s called quantitative easing. Essentially what they’re doing is printing money. I think the timing of their decision (November 3) is very interesting. It must have become apparent that there’s virtually zero chance of another stimulus via the ordinary political proccess. I’m deeply greatfull that we have a central bank that is independent of the viccisitudes of the political proccess. Even though we had a blowout election from an electorate skeptical about the Democratic Congress’ “stimulus” (the GOP ads I’ve seen love to put those words in quotation marks!), the cooler heads of the Fed went right ahead and gave us more stimulus anyway. :smiley:

There are a lot of economists disagreeing with this one, though, including at least one of the governers of the Federal Reserve.

Injecting this amount of liquidity in the market is a dangerous game to play. It always is. You can justify it when the monetary system is shutting down and the economy is declining, but the argument now is that since the economy is actually expanding slightly, QEII is a little too dangerous.

I guess we’ll see what happens. That’s the problem with economics. It’s not really an exact science, at least not on the macro level.

With the inflation rate in the US where it is right now, IMO the opposition to QE2 is completely misplaced.

And the dollar gets weaker. Which does mean our exports get more competitive, but it does horrible things to one of my hobbies, which involves japanese products.

God, what was $50 two years ago was just $108.

They’re really doing it at $75 billion a month, subject to review, so the markets have plenty of time to react. It’s not really a lot of liquidity; the high-end estimates for the amount required are about 4 trillion, and consensus seems to be 2 trillion. I suspect this is going to turn out to be overly cautious, actually.

A lot of money was destroyed by the Great Deleveraging. I only see two choices to cause that money (not the actual wealth, represented by goods and services, but you know, the stuff we use to keep track of wealth) to come back: 1. borrow like crazy and have everyone else in the country do so to and have money be magicked into existence or 2. just print the damn stuff. When we have inflation, we have printed too much. Choice 1 a) isn’t happening b) seems likely to create a new bubble as people use the borrowed money to create a whole bunch of capacity that can only be justified when it’s cheap to borrow the capital (which puts us back in this same situation in a couple of years when that bubble bursts).

There are certainly risks associated with it, mainly that the Fed can’t really predict what’s going to happen. Bad case is inflation, which the Fed does know how to deal with. Worst case is stagflation, which is, yeah, pretty damn bad.

Are you sure it really will? I mean, I think that Japan will engage in quantitive easing as well. All those conferences were about how to get everyone else to dump more liquidity into their markets so it isn’t a beggar-thy-neighbor game. If everyone eases by the same amount, the currencies should remain at the same exchange rate, shouldn’t they?

(and sorry about your hobby; if it helps, one of my income streams is in the US and I live in Canada, so it hurts me, too, but it’s probably for the betterment of the world economy)

It’s not “stimulus” unless and until it gets into people’s pockets and so far that hasn’t happened. There is already a cash overhang of more than $1 trillion in the form of excess reserves that banks hold in their accounts with the fed. That money has had little or no impact.

The money has to be loaned out before it can stimulate jack and so far, banks are not lending very readily. This partly due to stricter underwriting standards - which is certainly a good thing. But it’s also partly due to the fact that the economy is sluggish and therefore there isn’t as much demand for liquidity as when the economy is booming.

Japan’s trying to ease. And failing miserably.

Sarah Palin has weighed in on the controversy. Her strong opposition to it makes me more inclined to support it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Wait. Hang on a minute. I thought the Tea Party said it was wrong to listen to what foreigners had to say about how to run the US, that foreign laws shouldn’t be considered, etc.

Now it’s okay to listen to foreigners?

How does it differ from a 3/4 percentage decrease in the Fed funds rate?

Sam Stone doesn’t like short term fiscal stimulus. Sam Stone doesn’t like monetary stimulus. The US unemployment rate is at 9.7% and core inflation is -let’s not forget- at 0.8% and falling. Does Sam Stone fear deflation? MfM sure does.

RE: the OP. The Fed has had this plan in the works for a couple of months now. It would have occurred whatever the election results were. As it is, it’s pretty mild stuff. I fear a lost decade: US disinflation is tracking Japan’s early 1990s disinflation disturbingly well. Chart: Barbarous Relic Watch - The New York Times

Still, Sam is correct about a lot of economists disagreeing – though please note that Federal Reserve Board members tend towards conservatism and the only one (Hoenig) opposes QE2. Hoenig’s track record hasn’t been especially good: he feared inflation during this deflationary spiral. His current position, that a given percentage of deflation is just as bad as a given percentage inflation, is scary. For deflation leads to higher price-adjusted interest rates, which chokes off job growth, which depresses wages, which depresses prices… deflation during times of recession or depression yields vicious circles.

I would like to emphasize the fact that banks have had over $1 TRILLION in excess reserves for more than a year. Has this resulted in rampant inflation? No. Has it resulted in ANY inflation? Hard to say precisely but apparently not.

So, unless these Chicken Littles are willing to propose some mechanism for how $1T did absolutely jack squat to create inflation, but $1.6T will cause financial Armageddon, then I have to conclude they have no idea how things work in the real world.

Could somebody explain in layman’s terms how this is going to stimulate the economy? Will it lower unemployment, which seems like a very important measure of how things are going? (Heck, am I right that unemployment is an important measure?) What’s it supposed to do, and why do some people oppose it?

There hasn’t been inflation because the money supply has not grown, because the money supply is determined by the quantity of money multiplied by the velocity of money. If velocity is dropping, the money supply shrinks. Therefore, the Fed injects quantity into the system to try to maintain the aggregate supply.

There are many problems with doing this, however. For one thing, a huge quantity of money with low velocity is risky, because if velocity picks up the money supply can expand rapidly, leading to inflation. This means the Fed will have to unwind all that money somehow, by selling all the securities it bought, or by raising interest rates, or whatever. The problem is that it’s politically much easier to expand the money supply than it is to contract it. You run the risk of setting up a situation where any improvement in the economy will lead to a sharp uptick in inflation, which will force the fed to take actions which slow the recovery back down. Stagflation becomes a real possibility.

Another problem with QE is that it devalues the currency. On paper, this can have advantageous consequences, as it lowers the price of exported goods. However, as we can see from the last few days, this can also screw up your relationship with your trading partners, and when you rely on so much foreign debt to keep the economy moving it increases the risk that you either won’t be able to find buyers for the debt, or that you’ll have to raise interest rates to attract enough buyers.

A third risk is that since the fed is essentially monetizing the debt (printing money equal to the amount of borrowing), that the market sees it as a desperate attempt to keep an insolvent ship afloat, and uncertainty and risk pricing goes up. In the worst-case scenario (which we may be seeing), the increased liquidity is offset by a further drop in velocity, making the cash injection useless or even counter-productive.

Of course, there are potentially good effects from QE. I was in favor of the first round of QE because the money supply was shrinking rapidly back then, and the fed was out of interest rate bullets and QE seemed to be the only game in town to keep a very serious downward spiral from developing.

This time around, I’m not convinced that the situation was dire enough to warrant another round of QE, considering the various risks and drawbacks. And it seems to me that there is actually plenty of liquidity and that the problem is velocity, so adding more liquidity doesn’t seem to be an effective solution.

Finally, I believe the root problem in this recession is structural. The U.S. has essentially been engaging in Keynesian pump priming since the 1990’s. Greenspan held interest rates too low, Bush and Obama cut taxes and raised spending, all in an attempt to boost the economy with Keynesian stimulus. The result has been malinvestment, asset bubbles, low savings rates, and a gradual buildup of forces that have finally led to the current disaster. The only way out of this is to allow the economy to reset itself.

Stop meddling, stop trying to stimulate, and allow the malinvestments to clear the market, the toxic debt to be devalued, etc. It will likely mean a double-dip recession, and the government should focus on helping those most hurt by it (instead of say, using stimulus money to give 5% pay raises to upper-middle class government employees).

If the process of restructuring is thwarted or slowed by government borrowing and monkeying in the money supply, the result WILL be another ‘lost decade’. Increasing deficits will slow GDP growth, the economy will remain structurally inefficient, and the U.S. will limp along with 10% structural unemployment, GDP growth of 1-2%, and an ever-rising deficit.

If that environment continues until the entitlement crunch hits, the U.S. will be in for a much bigger disaster. Better to clear out the dead wood and the zombie companies now, get control of the debt, and get the economy on a healthy footing so it can better weather the next storm on the horizon.

Palin has said a number of tolerably goofy things - has she really said that we should pay no attention to what anyone outside the US has to say?

Apparently only on topics they dealt with seventy years ago.

I tried to use a similar argument in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. I said, “Hey, if Germany doesn’t think a war is a good idea, we should really rethink it. Those guys never met an invasion they didn’t like.” Nobody listened then.

Based, of course, on the (highly dubious) presumption that the Money Supply isn’t self determining.

For sure. That’s what I alluded to when I said the risk was that injecting more money might simply retard velocity.