Oh, please. These people have killed doctors, opposed vaccines for STDs, lied about condom’s effectiveness and dangers, used financial blackmail to prevent pregnant women getting medical care ( because hospitals dependant on American funding fear being defunded if a woman has a miscarriage ), said things like “every woman who dies is a victory for morality”, looked the other way in places they’ve won while children were slaughtered, and so on. They are barbarians. They’ve already killed people, directly and indirectly.
No, not all of those people have done the things you claim. That’s like arguing that you are responsible for Communism because you’re a leftist atheist.
And I didn’t say they had. And so what; Are you going to defend the KKK next ? By that standard you can’t condemn any political group, no matter how savage, since not every last one of them are killers or torturers or whatever.
That doesn’t change the fact that the anti abortion movement is and always has been about hostility to women. That it has no concern for children. That it has killed people, and defended those that did the killing. It IS barbaric, no matter how you try to weasel out of it.
And the American gun-control movement is and always has been about hostility to the people it wishes to disarm, ever since it was invented by people who noticed what a total bitch it is to clean blood stains out of white sheets.
The supposed KKK-gun control is obscure ( I’d never heard of it ), and not really relevant anyway. These days, it’s the political party dedicated to racism that’s pro-gun.
On the other hand, the people who want to hurt women are alive, and in control of the anti-abortion movement. The anti-abortionists are threatening and murdering people right now.
Again, we see the standard right wing ploy of pretending moral equivalence between them and their enemies.
There is no such political party in the US.
Of course, if you could come up with a cite of the party platform of whoever you think you are talking about that says clearly that blacks are inferior, or something like that, then we could discuss it (i.e., point out where you are being misled by a world view as contemptible as it is bizarre). Until then, I will merely request that if you want to post about your tastes in fiction, that you stick to Cafe Society.
Regards,
Shodan
But… but… He honestly means it! Really!
Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ Der, do you ever read your own posts? I’m glad you’re anti-gun, it makes my side look so much more rational. I just wish you wouldn’t agree with me on religion and abortion - I find it hard to defend my position after reading some of this stuff.
The supposed women hating connection is obscure (I’ve never heard of it), and it’s not really relevant anyway. It’s primarily a religious issue concerning when “life” begins.
On the other hand, the people who want to take guns are alive and in control of the liberal agenda. The gun-grabbers are denying people the ability to defend themselves in high-crime areas right now.
See? I could build up a supply of stock platitudes and cut-n-paste them like that, but it’s really kind of annoying in my opinion.
I am completely in favour of Pro Choice but I don’t think that a doctor should be forced to do something against deeply held moral convictions but the woman must be able to get the services of a doctor who IS prepared to help her.
One of the previous posters brought up the extreme examples of "What if the Dr. is in favour of Gay Bashing etc.
The answer to that is that he/she shouldn’t be granted a licence to practice medecine.
He ruins his argument by grossly exaggerating it (forget it, Bob; it’s Der-town), but there is a connection if one considers the ramifications of an abortion ban. I often ask for specifics on how such a ban would be enforced because I’d like the people arguing for such a ban to actually consider how to investigate and punish the million or so American women who exercise the option every year.
I tend to consider those who can’t or won’t consider such messy details as similar to those who hear a rap song or something and declare with moral conviction “They should ban that stuff!” Sure, it gives a little moral boost of righteous indignation, but don’t let’s ignore the chilling effect on freedom it would have if ever acted on.
Yeah, right. :rolleyes: The people who think women should be second class citizens; who have no problem with women dying due to an inability to get an abortion ( or anything else, really ); they aren’t anti-woman. And the people who show no concern for the lives of others are oh-so-concerned about the life of a fetus. Suuuuuure they are.
And besides; if an opinion is based on religion then it’s worthless anyway. Otherwise, they’d base it on something else.
No, putting guns in high crime areas just arms the criminals, when they steal them. That’s where criminals GET their guns. Wild West fantasies aside, having a gun won’t protect you when they shoot you first, probably in the back. The Right on the other hand likes the poor to have guns - it encourages them to kill each other.
And I don’t see any evidence that the “gun grabbers” ( a Republican crafted line if I’ve ever heard one ) are in control of much of anything. Or that there’s much of a “liberal agenda” to worry about for that matter.
Then why do you do it ? I’d say what I think you are actually doing, but it’s forbidden in this forum. Conveniently for you.
The Republican Party of course.
The Republic of Ireland in its seriously Catholic phase(Oh! its still in it,its O.K to sexually abuse children BUT and I mean BUT only if you’re a Catholic Priest)but abortion …we can never sanction that.
So all the young Irish female victims of rape and forced incestuous pregnancies go to the U.K. for abortions .
Yep the ROI s government can honestly say that as far as Ireland is concerned they have solved the problem.
Just as they can say the same thing about the victims of juvenile male rape by Catholic Priests who also seem always to end up in England.
But if you admit to the problem, let alone address it you wont get re elected.
Its a very Irish thing isn’t it?
Take it to the pit then, and let the irony meter overload.
Like I said, I pretty much agree with you on this issue, but the way you rant is far more effective at making this side look irrational than getting a point across.
Then where is the link to their platform saying so?
Look, we all know you can spew hatred for everyone and everything without even thinking about it. Let’s see if you can spew after thinking about it.
A real link; a real argument.
Regards,
Shodan
I’m looking forward to the day Der Trihs finds religion, myself.