Feistymongol, you racist jerk!

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Mexican-american hispanic. I do what’s possible to stay within the boundaries so i’m out of trouble. I don’t subscribe to the obsequious laws that so many minorities are forced into following for the benefit of whites. I don’t believe in the unfair show trials that have a higher rate of convicting and imprisoning minorities. I don’t respect this society’s law because it’s often used as a tool to keep certain members of this society down.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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I do what I can in self defense.

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Criminal by whose definition? I suppose by your thought process the vietnamese were a criminal enemy soldier and Americans were the heroic ones with the just cause. It’s all moral relativism. I viewed my actions as morally correct given the circumstances in defending myself. The state labels me a criminal according to your “laws” which are supposed to be impartial but which in fact aren’t.

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Many of the witnesses in that case were locals (who were white)who claimed Chin struck first. Interestingly enough I don’t believe anyone in Chin’s party claimed Chin struck first. There was in fact a division on that issue. At any rate Chin was later hunted down and beaten to death by 2 men. The murder was both premeditated and intentional. That should have been obvious with any jury…any non biased one that is.

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Proof?

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I’m not going to be too specific about where I come from. Suffice to say I do speak mandarin but that doesn’t necessarily mean i’m wholely chinese.

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Like I said in a different post roughly 78% of America’s population is “white” however 98% of the government consists of whites in the power elite.

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Quoted from the same source…

"At American universities in the 1930s, it was hard to avoid attending parties with “reds.” What about the influence of Tsien’s wife - the daughter of a top Nationalist military strategist? How could Tsien be a Communist if he had lived in the United States since before Mao seized power? "

Basically the PRC didn’t even exist then as a government because the revolution had never even occurred yet. Interesting that Tsien was accused of “spying” for a government that didn’t even exist. Anyone that knows anything about Chinese history knows how ludicrous that is. The group of military men who eventually became the PRC were a ramshackle party of guerillas and peasants at that phase. They had neither the resources or inclination to recruit or transplant top level moles into the U.S.
Also Tsien wasn’t a new immigrant he had worked for the government for around 25-30 years at that point. He was also a U.S. military colonel. Even in the best hatched plots even the Russians were never able to send in moles that well planned for 30 year periods. The whole accusation is ridiculous.

More quotes from that article…

“The Cox report says that Tsien “emigrated” to China, without mention of his long fight to avoid deportation. Cox report authors cite Chang’s “Thread of the Silkworm” as the source of much of their information about Tsien’s life. Chang has repeatedly complained that the committee drew unwarranted conclusions from her work.”

Now why would a supposed “spy” fight so hard to avoid deportation? Do you see anything wrong with that picture. Especially if he knew enough already at that point to build a nuclear program from memory.

Irish Chang is a young asian-american writer that also wrote about Nanking. She’s a feverent asian activist but the events which transpired that eventually led to Tsien’s deportation happened FAR before her time. Most of her researched material was from second/third hand sources. Now this Cox report sponsored by the U.S. government is ripping off source material and using a (then) grad student’s book as a solid reference? Do you see how ludicrous that is. It makes me wonder if the researchers from the Cox report even bothered to recheck facts or do their own homework.

What next? Will the U.S. government start culling intelligence sources from Tom Clancy novels?

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What does that have anything to do with anything? As i’ve said before Racism still exists and false accusations still occur (wen ho lee.) It’s just that the racism has become less overt and more underground.

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I said i’d expatriate myself…which last I heard doesn’t always involve renouncing anything. Citizenship is a loose term for me anyways. I may be a citizen for economic advantages and ease of travel but little else. Eventually when my responsibilities here are settled I will pick up and leave. It’s just a matter of time really.

Please “enlighten” me about the U.S. military then. Aside from WW2 the U.S. military has had a very shady past.

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Feisty,

Re: Your entire arguement
:rolleyes:

I’ve experinced racism(not to me) by someone indian. Since they arn’t gasp white, would that make it ok? Does every race except the white suddenly have the magical abilty to be racist without being considered racist?
I have no problems with people of other races. I get angry though when I keep getting thought as a wigger white who just doesn’t understand it.

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Like most racists Feistymongol displays an unhealthy dose of paranoids resulting from past personal experiences that has misfired within an underdeveloped character and lead to delusions of racial superiority, and imagined threats from vaguely definable groups he calls races.

I think that few of us will take issue with the fact that there is racism against “E Asian looking’ people in the US and many other places. On the same note it is obvious that racism exists directed against and from all perceived races. I’ll reiterate previous examples; Pat Buchanan for the “whites” against everyone else, Louis Farrakhan for the “blacks” against most everyone else except maybe some Muslims, and now Feistymongol for the “yellows” against pretty much anything that walks crawls or slithers, but more than anything the evil colonial “white man.”

The irony is that these three samples of dangerous and dissent sowing loonies all claim that they are fighting for the rights of the minority against the oppression of the racist majority that seeks to obliterate, or at least persecute and oppress their ‘race.’ If you add up all they are saying the image of a bunch of yapping dogs playing musical chairs comes to mind. They’re even yapping so loud that they can neither hear that the music stopped, nor do they notice that the majority at the party has inserted another chair so that none of them need to go without.

It is this ascertain that a majority, based on race is out to get him and his likes that makes Feistymongol a racist. His observations that racism exists do not. His criminal record does not. The jerk-like personality he displayed does not. The fact that he believes that there are ‘races’ and that these ‘races’ act against each other on motivation inherent to this ‘race’ does. That he also has the presumptuous gall to claim that the ‘white man’s’ racism is worse than anyone else’s makes him vaguely supremacist. Yes Western colonialism was very bad, and no doubt Mr. Mustachio 1 and 2 in Germany and Russia were the two worst oppressors and mass murderers that humanity has ever had to experience. That this in any way would justify the ethnically based oppression, murder, forceful removal of millions of people in E Asia, or that it would justify the anti-Gaijin mentality that Feistymongol displays, is typical of the racist argument. The white racists do the same quoting crime and oppression by the other races.

All in all the poor little pissant is a racist fucking jerk that is so heavily deluded by his fears and past trauma that he needs far more help than this forum can afford him. As I have said before in re the white supremacists, it is futile to debate these people with reason or motivate change due to fact and logic since they are purely emotional and motivated by fear. Skewing logic and fact is a veil they use to justify their crooked world view.

Happy Holidays,

Sparc

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Just a little FYI, but I never said I wished you were banned, clit-pustule, just that it’s pretty much inevitable.

But there you go putting words in someone’s mouth again. :rolleyes: And you accuse others of applying a double standard. That can get people banned here, as well as making all kinds of inflammatory comments as to people’s motivations and refusing to respond when they say otherwise. That too speaks for a double standard on your part, because you rail against your detractors for doing the same goddamned thing when that’s exactly what you do yourself. The only problem is that it is YOU who is applying a double standard. Prick.

Of course, given your skewed version of reality, you either see yourself entitled as the poor oppressed widdle victim you are, or you see yourself as entitled because “white power” needs to be put in check somehow.

It would seem that the only response to your dreck that you would see as acceptable is agreement with your “points.” Again, I ask you: What would conceding to you entail?

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Flat wrong. Japan adopted European industrialization for the purpose of establishing their military after seeing the Europeans push the Chinese around with impunity. However, Japan is at least as racist a society as has been seen in the last few centuries and they developed that all on their own before any Europeans ever made it to their shores.

Utter and complete bullshit. I followed the story of that travesty of justice from the day it broke, (I have even commented on the story on this message board), and I have never heard any Asian acquaintance even mention it, nor have I encountered the story among “asian activists.”
It is a symptom of your solipsistic view of the world that you believe that only “your” people care about issues if they involve Asians.

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European isn’t a race, oh ye of tiny genitalia and even less intelligence. Are you saying that the majority of the Jews murdered by the Nazis were black, or Asian? If so, you are talking out your rectum. If not, you are still talking out your rectum.

Again I repeat, in case you are stumped by the big words, oh champion of frequent self-abuse, Stalin killed mostly those of his own race - just like Mao. If Mao is irrelevant, Stalin is no less so.

Again, your words issue from your nether aperature.

Yet again, Jews were, for the most part, as European as their murderers. So were the casualties inflicted by WWII - Russians are European, French are European, Polish are European, etc., etc. Interestingly enough, Japanese are not European. Thus Pearl Harbor, the Bataan Death March, the casualties inflicted on America in the Pacific by the Japanese - all examples of cross-racial slaughter, and by Asians. Imagine that, oh favored customer of Bill’s House of Inflatable Dates.

As previously described, irrelevant. As are condoms to your social life.

**I assume you would like us to disregard the casualties inflicted by the Viet Cong. I would think that, if you were going to be consistent, we would throw out the killing fields of Pol Pot, since he was of the same race as his victims. But you dragged Stalin in again, so if you insist on Stalin, I will insist on Pol Pot as an example of Asian mass murder. Mao too, if you insist. I fear that the depths to which you insert your nose-picking finger have damaged your brain.

** Point of clarification - who do you blame for the slave trade? It consisted (to a great extent) of blacks selling each other to Arab traders, to be shipped to white slave holders.

And establishing white guilt in all the deaths in Africa is more problematic than you seem to think. Mass slaughters like Idi Amin, the Mengistu regime, Somalia, and so forth, do not seem to have come to an end after the end of the British Empire. Or is Robert Mugabe to blame for his anti-white actions?

Feel free to devote those cells of your brain not already taken up by indecent thoughts about passing dogs to answering this conundrum, if you please.

You really think there are only “a few thousand” Native Americans left in America?

I beg to differ, oh unenlightened one whose penis lacks functionality.

As to the rest of your posts, well, I hope you enjoyed fantasizing about your alleged life as much as we enjoyed disbelieving it.

Regards,
Shodan

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Go read about Japanese imperialism, the argument that “JAPANESE R RACIST 2 SO WHITES AREN’T THAT BAD” is an old and tired argument. It’s called the comparison game in order to lessen the perceived damage done by colonialist whites over the last 500 years. Like I said if you trace the progression of racist belief in Japan it culminated in their own strides to become a colonial power. The whole belief that they were “sons of the emperor” was also reminiscent of european royalty. As a result they mimicked europe’s colonial powers at the time who used a combination of racial superiority dogma and industrial achievements at the time to bully other countries around. It’s funny because you basically even stated it yourself.

I have an extremely hard time believing this. For one i’ve never seen the Vincent Chin case ever discussed outside an asian studies class. OK, maybe a remote sociology class or two dealing specifically with ethnic/“racial” studies but it’s generally not talked about. Why don’t you be honest instead of making tit for tat arguments trying to take some moral high ground. You know i’m right about this just admit you never heard about Vincent chin before I mentioned it.

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Aside from exposing Feistymongol’s astounding hypocrisy, this also confirms my earlier comments (which Feisty conveniently ignored). There is no way that he would be accepted into Asian society as a brother returning to the “homeland”–and he knows it. “Use it to my economic advantage” is another way of saying “covering my ass”.

This also justifies China Guy’s characterization of Feisty as a “xiangjiao” or banana. In case it’s not clear, a banana is yellow on the outside but thoroughly white on the inside.

Guys like this really make me sick. The majority of ordinary folks in Taiwan find them contemptible, and so do I.

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BTW, you notice how Feisty never directs his invective toward myself or China Guy now that we’ve made it clear that we’re fully capable of calling him on his bullshit?

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This is what i’m talking about most of you don’t have any serious rebuttals most of it is name calling rhetoric and nonsense statements.

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Im not the one who started bringing up communist era dictators who encited revolutions as examples of specific “racial” oppression.

Again, your words issue from your nether aperature.

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Except one thing you’re forgetting…Jews were not thought of as the european race by their oppressors. That’s an example of what happens to a perceived group of people who don’t fit into the “white” race. The Japanese situation and their imperialist leanings at the time were already explained in a different post. They were mimicking european colonial powers who used the same methods. Interesting enough they’re the only asian power who had gone to such extents to push race “dogma” during that period like europeans were doing en masse.

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They were defending their homeland against foreign invaders and a puppet south vietnamese regime propped up by foreigners. How would you like it if a few regiments of asian soldiers dropped off at hawaii and declared a new constitution? Oh i’m sure that would never settle with you however it’s perfectly allright for the U.S. to be heavy handed. Let’s not forget the whole gulf of tolkien incident which was trumped up by the corrupt white regime so they could have an excuse to go to war.
Let’s not forget about the wreckless massacring and bombing that went on in Vietnam.

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Once again you drag up examples of failed revolutionary attempts. This is not the same thing as raging war for race domination which europeans have been doing for centuries.

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You can spin excuses for that all you want. I like how you have characterized the Arabs as the “offenders” in the slave trade now. Nice little spin there…almost sounds like military propaganda to encourage war in the middle east again. Wow, let’s go kill those evil arabs they’re responsible for the slave trade too! whites had nuttin’ to do with it, mister.

You realize who put most of those men in charge when the colonies finally disbanded? You realize that Ida Amin was trained by the british? Do you know who redrew the land boundaries ensuring that there would be unlimited ethnic tribal strife?

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/amin.htm

“Amin joins the King’s African Rifles of the British colonial army, serving in the British action against the Mau Mau revolt in Kenya (1952-56). He rises to the rank of lieutenant, becoming one of only two native Ugandans to be commissioned during British rule”

You can call it white guilt or “guilt free” thinking all you want but the fact remains white colonial actions at the time had more to do with ethnic strife in Africa than anything else. Let’s not forget the plundering of Africa for its diamonds and other resources. Strip mining by european colonies who made crony deals with corrupt tribal warlords. There was no responsibility in white actions during that period. It was basically squatting in a country and stealing all you can before the house eventually fell apart.

A quote from that site:

“The number of U.S. residents who reported as American Indian and Alaska Native alone ** or in combination with one or more races in Census 2000**”

Yeah ok, combination of races does not equal wholely native american as far as i’m concerned. Though I suppose you employ the 1/8th drop rule to determine who’s native American. :rolleyes:

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Feistymongol will you please get it through your victimised skull that NOBODY here is trying to justify or lessen the impact of actions perpetuated by ‘colonialist whites’ throughout history. It’s just that you do your own cause an injustice if you refuse to acknowledge that ALL races/nationalities/groups are capable of and have perpetuated horrible deeds. Your credibility is on the line if you maintain that it is ONLY whites who have committed such atrocities, for any (even cursory) look at any history book will prove you wrong.

Nobody here is disagreeing that racism exists. Nobody doubts that you personally have encountered discrimination and taunts because of your colour. But it is YOU, by tarring us all with the same racist brush who is continuing the stereotyping of ALL whiteys being evil oppressors.

Most people in the world are trying to deal with the issue of racism, both within their own heads and within their communities. It is an issue that affects us all, but I personally believe that things are better now (at least on a micro-national level) than even twenty or thirty years ago. But your ranting, not as an Asian man but as a complete loony, has done little to further the cause of ALL people being considered equal.

Do yourself a favour and listen to what people here have to say…they’re not out to get you because you’re Asian. They’re picking on you because your arguments are full of bullshit mate.

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Make that gulf of tonkin not tolkien :D.

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Oh mother of all things that anyone has ever held for remotely holy, what utter fucking sickening crap that is vomited through the mouth of this, the offal sprung forth through from the well of all the worlds syphilitic boils. Have you no shame in your putrid self? Is there not even the tiniest humble bone in your body?

All the world’s evils did not spring from colonialism, however dark a chapter of human history it in large parts was. You have been given example after example of inhumanity and racism from all over the world, and you willfully continue to spew forth your ant-white bigotry.

I’ll just iterate my previous point. You’re one sick little puppy, you racist little fuckwad, and arguing with you is pointless, since you’re so stuck in your deranged delusions of how the world works. I suggest a cure of much masturbation and endless reading of history books, then at least you’ll be busy holding on to your dick so that you can’ hurt anyone and maybe the reading will bring you some kind of understanding of how the world actually sucks.

Regards,

Sparc

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Which is an enormous strawman argument because I never made such claims. I did however say that whites have done the most egregious harm worldwide over any race/ethnicity. Interesting that the only real prosperous nations (aside from lone japan) these days are all white nations. Also whites only consist of around 15-20% of the world’s total population perhaps even less than that figure yet control 90% of the wealth/resources. The rest have been relegated into the backranks of world society. Asian, African, and South American “Latin” are all kept down by this power game.

Things like the european union and anglo nation alliances only cement this uncontested power.

Any nation not in this unseen “alliance” who tries to rise above its secondary status is immediately knocked back down through machiavellian and economic intrigue. No nation beyond the white owned ones will ever be called “first world” because there is a system in place to prevent that from ever happening.

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Better for who? Allowing a slave more privileges doesn’t make him any less a slave.

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No I don’t respond to either of you because you’ve never made any arguments or rebuttals worth responding to. All you’ve done is namecall and nitpick certain things in order to create facetious arguments that you then expect me to debate in good faith.

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Out of your whole ranting post this was about the only tidbit with any type of real argument.

Who has done the most damage worldwide through colonization and assertion of race superiority based wars? 'nuff said. Also try to debate without namecalling and other nonsense.

You know deep down what i’m saying has truth that’s why you try so hard to deny it.

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Covering my ass? It’s called exploiting the western system which has exploited everyone else for so long.

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Racism isnt racism if there is no empowerment or power component to oppress. Only whites have the power to truly oppress in this society. Racism by whites can lead to denial of jobs, opportunities, and even abuse of the institution. If a black man calls you a “honky” do you think there is really any power there to oppress? You could call the majority white police who would then beat his ass and lock him up for assault. You could then go and change the rules (laws) around to favor whites more or restrict all minority “rights.” If you don’t hold all the cards then it’s not racism. It may be called bigotry and prejudice…

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I’m flattered that you’re sweating me to the degree that you are, I must be doing something right. :smiley:

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** I suggest you read Iris Chang’s book on the Rape of Nanking. The imperialist Japanese of 1937 thought of the Chinese as a different race than they. They thought the same way about the rest of the world. They divided the world up into two races, Japanese and other.

Goodness me. Ever hear of the Ainu? Ever read anything about the treatment of the Koreas by the Japanese? Ever read anything of how the Manchu emperors thought of the foreign barbarians?

The idea that only whites every have thought in racist terms about the rest of the world is as silly as it is unfortunate.

You keep coming up with excuses for Asian atrocities, but refusing to consider the same for whites.

To describe the massacres under Pol Pot as a “failed revolutionary attempt” is one of the most mealy-mouthed rationalizations for genocide that I have been unfortunate to read.

Is there any horror you cannot excuse as long as the perpetrators are Asian?

And Ho Chi Minh was trained by the Chinese. I assume this means the Viet Nam war was the Chinese’ fault.

So now that the colonialists are out, ethnic strife is ended, is that what you think?

Tell it to the Hutus and Tutsis. Tell it to the Somali Muslims and the Christian or animists they enslave. Tell it to the people Mengistu starved.

Tell it to the Marines.

You didn’t say “wholly”; you said “traceable”. Now, having been shown up, you are weaselling.

Color me amazed.

I thought three paragraphs ago you were saying that Jews weren’t European because the Nazis didn’t think they were. Now you are saying that Native Americans aren’t Native Americans because you don’t think so.

Do you really want to be in that company?

Regards,
Shodan