I for one am quite content to have a reasoned discussion of issues, and will respond as such when I see it. As I’ve said in other recent threads, however, presently conservatives offer lies or half-truths so often that I can’t at all trust them.
Wasn’t it you, Sam, who recently tried to offer Sarah Palin’s veto as evidence of her views regarding same sex marriage? When it turned out that she specifically disavowed supporting same sex marriage, and had only vetoed the bill because she had been told it was unconstitutional? (This was right on the heels of having to put down a story proffered by another conservative poster that Sarah Palin’s teleprompter had failed, and she winged her speech. Pure, unadulterated horseshit.)
So, in terms of reasonable debate, I would request starting with discontinuing spreading of falsehoods and half-truths.
Damn, bud, that’s lame of you. It’s become typical of you, yes, but that makes it all the more lame.
“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”:rolleyes:
Freud called that “projection”. :rolleyes:
You’re letting your own hatred rule your judgment. That is so absolutely, carelessly, hatefully false that you have no standing whatever to discuss “intra-party civility”. You don’t even know what it is.
Go have a cup of warm milk and ask Mommy to tuck you into bed now.
Why would Republicans be afraid of a universal healthcare plan that worked? To define terms I’m thinking “worked” means high level of care, more efficient economically than the current system, and covers everybody?
Good question. Why have Republicans spent more money on a misguided (at best) war effort than it would cost to give every American working health insurance?
You’ve never heard about the Evil of “Socialized Medicine”? How it would cost us our freedom and independence? That shit is how Reagan got started in politics, as you may know. The pitch today is more about “government can’t do anything right” (as they’ve vigorously tried to demonstrate in this administration), and the evils not of Socialism but of Bureaucracy. As if that argument works on anyone who’s had to deal with an HMO claim!
Anybody know offhand what the AMA’s political contributions have been over the years? How much they’ve spent to make sure their members’ incomes are never limited?
Because it would be the end of political contribution money from the medical, insurance and pharmaceutical industries?
Less cynically, I do think once more industries do realize that they are being had (Small business owners are unfairly burdened with less chances to offer good health care to good workers that then go to work only for big companies) that then we will see universal health care being implemented.
I don’t have a cite, but I do think also that many foreign companies that would set shop in America are not coming because of the extra cost of the health care, a cost that they do not have to deal with in other countries, and I do think one of the factors for sending American jobs overseas is the high cost of health care.
Malice. The Republicans are largely a collection of sadistic bastards who gloat over the suffering of others. There is nothing they hate more than something that might help others, or give them pleasure. In their eyes sex is bad, mercy is bad, compassion is bad, tolerance is bad, good medical care is bad. In their eyes war is good, ignorance is good, malice is good, hate is good, greed is good, war is good, pain and death ( in others ) is good. They oppose that which helps others, and support that which hurts others.
Der Trihs, did Republicans also used to steal your lunch money on your way to school when you were a kid? Did they give you wedgies and throw your school books in the sewer drains?
Der Trihs, honestly, I want you to reflect for a moment. Do you think there is anyway possible that there could be some projecting or blame-reassignment going on here? Really, please answer truthfully.
Trouble is, DT, your premise borders on the theological, or mythical. You are positing evil as an existential reality, a discrete quality not to be confused with mere stupidity or callous indifference. Such evil exists, to be sure, but rarely is it ever embodied with that sort of purity. Hitler. Stalin, Pol Pot, Carrot Top, a handful of others…
The planning and execution of the Iraq War was an exercise in stupidity and arrogance, not malice. They thought, and still think, that they were doing the right thing. Malice is the essential component of evil.
The effect is the same, of course, so if you regard this as a pointless abstraction, I couldn’t disagree.
Like so many things, there is a good analogy with the Creationists. Do they really fear Armageddon (or penis) will ensue if children are taught the scientifically respectable age of the earth and associated parts. No they do not. It is the flagship issue for biblical inerrancy. Why if those parts of the bible are not literally true, then how many are the possibilites for other rules to be misguided.
Similarly: Brute evidence of an effective public health system will toll the death of current Republicanism. I fear for and pity Brainglutton and the like, who will get no sleep; being inundated with a constant din of apologies and confessions of bad character from the many voices here seeking to thwart a public health system.
