Fifty years later, does America need a stupider motto?

If some loon picks this up and I begin seeing this on bumper stickers, I’m stealing a packet of them and coming to your house to plaster your windows with them.

yeeesh! Do you have to give the zealots and bigots ideas? (Or SHUDDER have you actually seen this already?)

I gotta throw in with the “America – Fuck Yeah!” folks. It’s just too perfect.

Technically, the Treasury Secretary that put “In God We Trust” on coins was one of those horrible Catholics, himself…Salmon P. Chase. It doesn’t look like the spirit behind slogan was really anti-Catholic sentiment. The originator of the idea seems to be a Baptist minister from Pennsylvania, the Rev. Mark Watkinson. Watkinson wrote Chase a letter, excerpts are as follows:

So, in response, Chase, who was pretty religious himself, wrote a letter to the director of the mint, saying:

The director of the mint suggested two possible slogans, either “Our Country; Our God”, or God; Our Trust"

I need to correct my previous post. In it, I said that Secretary of the Treasury Chase was a Catholic. He was not. He was an Episcopalian. He was also the only cabinet secretary to be named after a fish.

I suspect that the fact that a nation of fairly religious people found themselves in a horrendous war made the idea of placing a religious motto on coins a acceptable idea and I do not think that Chase was ever connected to the “Protestant Christian” country movement.

I have read, somewhere, that Watkinson was an active member of the National Reform Association, (then known (until 1875) as The National Association to Secure the Religious Amendment to the Constitution), but I cannot find that connection documented, now, so I am willing to withdraw that claim until I can find a citation for it. In its place I would leave the much weaker claim that a number of Protestant Christians were embracing the idea of changing the Constitution to make it a Protestant document and that such a spirit might have influenced Watkinson, (leaving Chase out of that discussion, completely).

Shouldn’t that be “America – Fuck You”?

Ah! I have found the connection, (and I am willing to ackowledge that the source may contain just a touch of bias).

While Watkinson wrote the letter inspiring Chase, the National Reform Association connection was not (necessarily) Watkinson, but the director of the mint, James Pollock, whom Infidels claims was an NRA member.

Interestingly, this source muddies the water, a bit. According to the NRA, they were organized in 1861 (which would have coincided both with the appointment of Pollock and the letter of Watkinson). However, the Jon G. Murray article on Infidels claims that the NRA was founded in 1863, meaning that while there may have been a general movement to “Christianize” the U.S. at the time of the letter and coin decisions*, it would not actually have been possible for the organized group to have participated in that action.

  • (Regardless whether the founding was 1861 or 1863, it seems unlikely that an organization could have been created had there not been a general movement and exchange of ideas that preceeded it.)

No, and Fuck Anyone who says it should be.

America – Fuck Yeah. Just try having malaise when that’s your motto.

Concerning “In God We Trust”, that dweeb Francis Scott Key thought it was our motto as long ago as 1812:

His phrasing is even worse, combining the backward construction with the passive voice.

No. We are talking about the lyrics of the theme music to “Team AmericaL World Police”.

Though your version wouldn’t be a bad alternate, at internayional sporting events like the Olympics, for instance. The American spectators could use it against any and all opposition teams.

Snafu?

Is there no end to the ignorance?

Some more suggested mottos for a stupider America:

“American Enjenuity”

“Vive l’America”

“This Coin Is Probably Not Counterfeit”

“Any Resemblance Between America And A Democracy Is Purely Coincidental”

“America, Where All Our Dollar Bills Have Trace Amounts of Cocaine”

“If You’re Not With Us You’re With Somebody Else Who May Or May Not Be With Us”

“John 3:16”

“You Want Fries With That?”

“Here, Have Some More Pollution!”

“Debt Before Dishonor”

“Doing The Right Thing When All Other Options Have Been Exhausted”

Oooh, how about this:

There’s the right way, the wrong way – and the American way!

(Which is much like the wrong way, only with more sparklies on it.)

Nowadays, of course, we wouldn’t use such a culturally insensitive simile. Instead, we would say that it sounds like Yoda.

“May contain nuts”

Thank you. Obviously I’m not from Quebec :stuck_out_tongue: .

Charlie Tan, I like that last one.

How about “We apologize for the inconvenience.”

We need an advertising slogan to remind us that America’s business is business.

“We are Professional Grage.”

“Think Different. Not too much, though…”

“This isn’t your Grandfather’s America!”

Before or after he was appointed?

You forgot Ulysses S. Grant’s Secretary of State.

Oh dear, too many good ones!

America - Fuck YEAH! is great, however I would like to submit a more ‘hip’ alternate. “America-Hells Yeah!” Could resonate with the youth, but runs the risk of being embarassingly unhip in a few years.

Or Drewbert’s “Trust us; we know what we’re doing.” could be Jack Bauer’d up as, “We don’t have to me to explain, you’re going to have to trust us!”. . .a bit wordy, but will perhaps save a great deal of time at the U.N.